Question of the Week #9
This week’s question is “What are your best and worst episodes of SDMI: Season 1?”. My favorite episode of season one is Mystery Solvers Club State Finals. A fun episode done in the classic Scooby style. My least favorite is Attack of the Headless Horror. I found this episode pretty boring and not that interesting.
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I'd say my favourite episode was Escape from Mystery Manor, It gave me the kind of feeling that an only Scooby Doo Where are You episode gave me or The Secret of the Ghost Rig, that was just plain awesome. I really didn't like Mystery Solvers Club State Finals, mainly because I don't really like the sound of Scooby's voice, and when the gang isn't in the episode, all you hear is Scooby.
My favorite episode would have to either be the pilot or mystery solvers club state finals. Both just felt like great classic scooby, and one even looked the part, and had pretty good stories.
Worst episode is simple! "The creeping creatures".For the same reason I didn't really dig on Curse of the Lake monster, it was so obvious who the villains were. And It just didn't work for me on any level.
My favorite episodes are mostly the ones with Pericles (Howl of the Fright Hound/Where Walks Aphrodite/A Haunting in Crystal Cove/Pawn of Shadows/All Fear the Freak).
I also liked:
"The Creeping Creatures"
"The Legend of Alice May"
"The Grasp of the Gnome"
"Battle of the Humungonauts"
"The Secret Serum"
"The Shrieking Madness"
"Mystery Solvers Club State Finals"
"Escape from Mystery Manor"
"Nightfright"
"The Siren's Song"
"Menace of the Manticore"
"Dead Justice"
"The Night the Clown Cried"
There's nothing wrong about the other episodes, but they weren't so interesting. I love the episodes which reveal new secrets.
Emmm...well, I personally liked Dead Justice, Pawn of Shadows and Mystery Solvers State Club Finals. Out of those three I would say Dead Justice is the best. I loved the villain style of Dead Justice and also Nitro Wisinski in the trap. Pawn of Shadows I liked because of the disappearing of the Mystery Machine and also H.P.'s desperate attempt to write a teen novel, and for the other episode I liked the guest stars and classic style. My least favorite episode would be Battle of the Humongonauts. I felt the gang didn't think at all. Also did you hear of the airing of the new season in Australia, beginning with The Night The Clown Cried?
I don't have a best or worst episode because they're all really bad. Instead I have a best and worst moment.
The worst moment was the unacceptable insult to Vincent Van Ghoul of him possibly wetting himself. Total slap in the face to fans of 13GSD, and to the memory of Vincent Price.
Best moment is when Shaggy dumped Velma like a pile of digested Scooby Snax.
Some other bad moments include Daphne going back to Chiles, the "engagement", every "Frephne" moment, Daphne talking to Velma about how stupid males are and need women to tell them what to do, Velma trying to change Shaggy, Velma telling Shaggy to leave Scooby in the animal asylum, ... actually pretty much every moment with Velma in it, the Scrappy-Doo diss, the suggestion that 13GSD happened between SDWAY and SDMI, oh and the parts where Scooby turned his back on Shaggy, the stupidity of all the parents and other adults, etc.
Other good moments include Shaggy and Scooby grooving out to Daphne's singing, Daphne being happy that Shaggy and Scooby are friends again, Daphne eating lots of food at Van Ghoul's place similar to Shaggy and Scooby, Daphne showing envy for the fact that Velma had a guy who could actually show some affection, Daphne's idea to have the engagement announcement over a meal (a very Shaggy-esque idea), oh wait these are all Shaphne moments. Well aside from those good moments, Shaggy and Scooby being friends again, Chiles breaking off that stupid engagement, Chiles smashing a large hole in the wall of the Blake mansion, Chiles pissing off the Blakes in various ways, the fact that Fred isn't in this series and is thus non-canon like Get A Clue, the ending credits of each episode, etc.
UM who's Chiles?
I agree with Jesse, I like Escape from Mystery Manor because it was sorta creepy, but interesting. It reminded me of Saw. 13th Ghost, why are you looking at this blog if you dont like SDMI?!
o my least favorite was the creeping creatures because there was only 1 person it could be!! and it was so obvious too!!!!
13th Ghost, Do you really hate SD!MI that much? You seem to think it's the worst to come from Scooby Doo, while I personally think it's the best. What gives?
Chiles is the "Fred" character. His last name is Chiles.
And what, are you saying I shouldn't be allowed on a Scooby-Doo fan site just because I don't like season 1 of SDMI? There are some other people on this site that don't like it either. Why am I being picked on?
That said, I like season 2 so far.
Well, all opinions are welcome here.
No! I'm really sorry 13th Ghost! I didn't mean it like that. I was just shocked at how much you didn't like SDMI so far because of it's positive reception with most people. I just wanted to know why. Sorry that I upset you.
Actually Jesse that was my bad. I answered your question and then started a new paragraph right after that to address Lawson. I should have specified to whom I was referring. I know you were just asking a harmless question, and I didn't mean to imply that you were giving me a hard time.
Anyway, I hated season 1 of SDMI until episode 26 when it was revealed that "Fred Jones" wasn't the real Fred Jones from the series. It's actually a different character based on Fred named _____ Chiles (or "Blank" Chiles since we don't know his real first name yet). Because of this, it means that the rest of the series made by Hanna-Barbera can't possibly follow this series. Even the other WB versions can't follow it, as his name is Fred Jones in those incarnations.
So to make a long story short, SDMI is non-canon and not a serious installment to the franchise. It's like Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue. It's just there for fun, nothing serious. Though I still don't really like the plots and stories in season 1, and I still think a lot of it is inappropriate for younger viewers, I don't hate the show now.
Episode 27 has the same writing flaws I dislike, but taking the show as just something to watch, I'd say I liked watching it at least. I'll just have to see if it can hold my interest with the following episodes.
I disagree about what you said about Fred not being Fred anymore. I still think it's Fred, and not a character based on him. Oh and do you think that this will be the last Scooby Doo installment if Fred really isn't "Fred"?
No I think SD will go on for many years after this. However WB might put the series on hiatus for a while and then bring it back for a different generation. In that case they will just reboot it and have Fred Jones in it again, just like What's New Scooby-Doo. In fact, they have no problem doing this now. The movies like Phantosaur and Music of the Vampire have the real Fred Jones in them.
As for Fred, the character in SDMI is (Something) Chiles, not Fred Jones. So you're free to think of him as the real Fred, I won't argue with you on it. I'm just going by what is stated in the episodes. Maybe there will be another twist that the Chiles aren't the real parents. Or maybe the real Fred Jones is still out there. Who knows?
I agree with the 13th Ghost. I think that Chiles is not the real character of Fred Jones. There are lots of different beginnings and endings in the Scooby-Doo universe. Officially, or at least I think, Skip and Peggy Jones (in Scooby-Doo! Pirates Ahoy) are Fred Jones's parents.
The "Fred Chiles" thing is totally horrible. HB cannot officially license Fred now as "Fred Chiles" because then they would have to change everything. On Wikipedia Fred Jones is listed as "Frederick Herman Jones, Jr." Not Fred Chiles. It's really a bad idea to do this because viewers have gone their entire lives thinking that it's Fred Jones and then BOOM! He's Fred Chiles. "Oh sorry Fred, guess we'll have to tell everyone you are Fred Chiles. Darn." Probably the worst idea since Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get A Clue!
I liked the whole Fred Chiles thing! Something different! It wasn't comfortable at first for me since Fred is my favourite character but come on guys! This is definitely not as bad as Scooby-Doo Get a Clue! William and Joseph would turn in their graves at the site of such a series, if you could even call it that... yuck
I didn't say that it was as bad as Get A Clue. I said it was the worst idea. OK fine, Get A Clue was OK. I mean, I'm a Scooby fan at heart. I meant that it was a bad idea in an otherwise great series. I didn't mean it like that. Yes, Fred Chiles is not a bad idea. It's just that it kind of annoying with this changing everything. Yes, it is different. Oh well, this is a site for all opinions. Some people like it, some don't. Well, anyway, nothing is ever horrible in Scooby-Doo (can't possibly be as it's the best show ever). It's only that sometimes things are kind of bad at the moment.
Oh I get you. and I agree, if it's Scooby-Doo, it's gotta be at least ok. But I never liked Scooby-Doo Get a clue. Didn't like it when I was younger.
@The13thGhost: You bring up an interesting point in saying about WB and the idea of putting the franchise on hiatus and then bringing it back later.
I've often thought about what if WB did just that, but brought the franchise back instead with new characters. For example, the new characters could be a new group of mystery solvers, unrelated to the gang or they could be the gang's kids.
The gang we all know and love could still be seen, maybe as mentors to the new team of meddling kids.
I don't know if you remember this show, but think something along the lines of Tiny Toon Adventures.
In that show the original Looney Tunes characters(Bugs, Daffy and the others) were sort of mentors to a new generation of characters, sort of like the new generation of the old school Looney Tunes characters.
So, using this example, Fred, Daphne and the original Mystery Inc. would still be seen in the show, but like Tiny Toon Adventures, the new show would center on the new generation characters.
Come to think of it, the original Mystery Incorporated in SDMI could be retconned or rebooted and maybe they could be the new Mystery Inc. that the gang could tutor and teach in the ways of solving mysteries.
A few things. Right Scoobylover, they can't officially have him as Chiles. It must be a new character in an unofficial or alternate universe. In NSD-Movies Fred says he has a 3-year-old nephew and he also mentioned his uncle. This Chiles character doesn't know anything about his family, not even his parents. So this also means SDMI can't precede NSD-Movies.
The Chiles idea is horrible for the reasons you stated, however it is also one that I actually like. It has allowed me to somewhat enjoy this incarnation of the series. Knowing that this version is non-canon lets me sit back and watch it for what it is. I don't really get the feeling that this is legitimate enough to warrent a reponse from me as to how unworthy it is to carry the Scooby-Doo title. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a bad show, but I can now think of it as the non-canon parody that it is, and thus enjoy whatever good their is in it.
Funny thing is, I like Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue for this same reason. We all know S&SDGaC is non-canon and a show that's just for fun. It's a show that I can laugh at and not take seriously. It's really the same as A Pup Named Scooby-Doo, ya know? I would put Get a Clue and SDMI in the same category as Pup.
Adam, I think SDMI is past the point where they could have the Scooby-Doo gang train a new group, but I think SDMI would be more tolerable if they had just made a new series with new characters. When you take a classic series like Scooby-Doo and you take those characters, you have to portray them as being as much like the originals as possible. That's the whole point of carrying on that series. If you want to make the characters act in vastly different ways, they make a new show, I say. But maybe their scripts would not have be liked had they not been linked to the Scooby-Doo brand.
The Tiny Toons idea sounds like it could work. But WB would still need to have some closure. In other words, we would need to see how the Scooby-Doo series ending. Was it the Zombie Island ending where Fred and Daphne were somewhat of a couple, Velma owned a cruddy book store, and Shaggy and Scooby were... unemployed? Or would it be the 13 Ghosts ending where Shaggy and Daphne were together, Scooby and Scrappy lived with them, Velma worked for NASA, and Fred was a mystery writer?
If I were in charge, I would make an official animated beginning for the series showing how the gang first met and came together to solve mysteries. Then I would continue on to new series that fit perfectly into the H-B canon along with the other seasons such as SDWAY, NSD-Movies, SDS, etc. I would work all the way up to 13GSD but instead of make episodes that fit into that, I would reboot that series and more it more serious and dark. There would still be comedy in it, but well placed, and no 4th wall breaking. Then I would end it with a movie that wrapped up 13GSD and closed the series.
I don't like the sound of the 13th Ghost! That would mean an end of Scooby-Doo!! And might I ask, why does the scooby-doo have to make sense chronologically? I like the whole 'all over the place' deal. It just makes it more fun. It's all different people making Scooby-Doo different. If in order to add some drama they say Fred's dad is evil and kidnapped him from his real parents, so what? He's still Fred, his situation has just changed. The situation has changed heaps in the Scooby-Doo canon. and I don't think Shaggy and Daphne are a good couple. It was always Daphne and Fred!
Well, 13th Ghost, I like the series for that way too. I mean, Fred Chiles is pretty horrible, but yes, it is an interesting idea. I mean the idea is bad as in an actual canon, and I like the idea too, because it is so ridiculous. I think Scooby-Doo should make sense chronologically, all over the place is very hard to understand what is canon and what is not. Actually, it is rather amusing since it is probably non-canon. Same thing with Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get A Clue! I like all things Scooby-Doo, and these two series were amusing, along with Pup. All three were very funny because, as you say, they are probably just an alternate universe-type series. I'd like a type of What's New Scooby-Doo? again. Those were fun episodes, and canon.
I agree with Jesse, though. I don't like it just ending at The 13 Ghosts more serious and dark. It doesn't sound that inviting, because I think it should end with the gang solving mysteries, not just going off and ending the series. The beginning sounds interesting (I'm going to write a fanfiction novel about it, expressing my own idea), but I think Scooby-Doo should end with the gang still solving mysteries, and then just end up being a private detective agency only for solving unmasking crimes as adults.
Jesse, I agree with you on couples. Shaggy and Daphne are not a good couple. Daphne is better off with Fred. However, this debate has a hard idea. Is Fred Chiles still the same Fred? It depends. Some people yes, some people no. I've been lugging about this question for some time now. And I've come up with a type of answer.
Fred Chiles and Fred Jones could be two different people, or they could be the same. But if they are different, what is connecting them? I think that both must be merged together somehow. We will never know the truth until it is revealed on SDMI. And maybe it could turn out to be canon when Fred is officially cleared as Fred Jones. We'll just have to wait.
Something I have decided on:
13th Ghost, I actually disagree now about the series being non-canon. I think each series is actually canon, just some things are not canon. For example, in SDMI, the parents are non-canon. Also I believe that Fred Chiles is non-canon. In my opinion, most everything is partially canon, including Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get A Clue! About the beginning of the gang there are several theories, but in my opinion it was the one mentioned in Scooby Goes Hollywood, which means that A Pup Named Scooby-Doo is non-canon. Also Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins.
@Jesse It would mean the end of Scooby-Doo after many, MANY episodes. Keep in mind that we would see a lot of Scooby-Doo before it ended. All good things must have a good end to them. If you just keep dragging a series on and on then it will get stale and repetitive. People will get sick of it.
Why does SD have to make sense chronologically? Well… because that's how H-B set it up. I guess it doesn't HAVE to now that WB controls it, but in that case you will have a bunch of alternative versions each canon only within themselves. There would be no history of where the gang has been or any promise of where they're going. It would be a new start every time, and each time there would be all these changes to explain.
I don't really have a problem with "all over the place" so long as there is a canon version. I consider only the pre-Pup H-B seasons to be canon. I am fine with different people making SD different, as long as it's still the same show afterward. Changing it too drastically defeats the purpose of using it. If it's going to be that different, just make a new series. Do something totally new.
Like I said, I'm not going to argue with you about it. My only thing is that Brad and Judy Chiles named him something else so he can't possibly be Fred Jones. That's a different character than Fred Jones who according to NSD-Movies has a true family that he knows well. It isn't just his situation, it's his very identity. And like I also said, you can think of him as the "real" Fred if you want to. I understand why the Frephne shippers would want to. This is the only series that has really shown a high level of Frephne to rival that of Hanna-Barbera's Shaphne.
That's fine if you don't think Shaggy and Daphne are a good couple, but it wasn't ALWAYS Daphne and Fred. First it was Daphne and nameless suitors, then Daphne and Fred, then they broke up (The Scooby-Doo Show), and then from NSSDS to 13GSD it was Shaggy and Daphne.
@Scoobylover Thanks, glad you liked my perspective on the Chiles issue. Right, I find SDMI somewhat amusing now that I don't have to take it as a serious installment. WNSD was another version that I liked. It was corny at times, and a little too kiddy, but it was made for Saturday morning, so I still enjoyed it on that level. It was also non-canon in that we found it followed Pup chronologically. Again, a decent show that I didn't have to take seriously.
I know that you would rather they end solving mysteries but that simply doesn't provide for a good ending. I mean, how would that go? They just suddenly decide that the mystery they just solved is the last one? Or do they end it saying that they will always be together to solve mysteries? That wouldn't be an actual ending then would it? My idea to end it with 13GSD provides for that strong feeling of closure and completion. It would end with an epic performance/battle to seal away the remaining ghost/ghosts. The world, once on the edge of destruction, is saved.
Also, my version of 13GSD would not be totally dark and serious. Each episode would have a good moral to it. The show would portray the 13 Ghosts as true villains who strive for all that is wrong. Scooby and the others would stop their plans and gradually reseal them. There would be much interaction between the characters, both in their separate groups and between each side. In other words, a lot of dialog between Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby, Scrappy, Flim-Flam, and Vincent, and a lot of dialog between Maldor, Zomba, Time Slime, Necara, Reflector Spector, etc. The characters would be developed and have actual background. Also, there would come a point where the 13 Ghosts decide to work together on occasion and they would create plots and ploys to destroy our beloved gang. There would also be a lot of comedy in this, but it would be well placed. Nothing corny and no fourth wall breaking.
Again, I understand the desire to see it end with the WHOLE gang solving mysteries, but that's not an ending. It's an open-ending.
Okay, I understand and accept that you like Frephne and not Shaphne, but I have to ask, why do you think Daphne is better off with Fred than with Shaggy?
Also, we don't disagree on the canon thing. SDMI is canon in its own universe. All I'm saying is that it's not the official timeline, and it doesn't connect to NSD-Movies or any other version of SD except maybe SDWAY as a sequel. But even that requires a new spin on SDWAY in order to work. So it is canon in and of itself, but it is not canon in relation to the entire series.
Scooby-Doo Goes Hollywood? CANON?!?! Funny you should select that one. I actually do consider this to be canon AND non-canon. My theory on this is that SDGH features the actual gang, and they are each playing their own roles. Meaning, Shaggy Rogers is playing the part of Shaggy. Daphne Blake is playing the part of Daphne. Scooby-Doo is playing the part of Scooby. Same with the other two. Now, what are they playing in? The movie itself says that they are playing parts in the Scooby-Doo TV show, but this isn't actually the case. The real story is that they are each playing parts in the movie WE are watching, that is, they are playing themselves in the movie "Scooby-Doo Goes Hollywood". So when you see Shaggy and Scooby go off to get food or do a musical number, you're actually seeing them act out a script. When you see Daphne talk to Velma about her script in the TV show, you're actually seeing her act her REAL lines for the movie you're watching.
So in reality, the gang is for real, and they are playing parts in their own movie about a TV show of theirs. Only, they don't really have a TV show, that was just the plot of the movie. So that is why I consider it canon, but also non-canon. What you saw in the movie was just a script that the real characters acted out. It's not the REAL story of Scooby-Doo.
We know this from the actual TV show. Scooby-Doo was born to Mumsy and Da-Da Doo, and he was raised by them same as Yabba and Ruby. He was NOT given to some Pet Shop and sold. Furthermore, NSD-Movies has an episode where Shaggy and the others visit his Uncle Nat along with the Globetrotters. In this episode there is a photo album with Scooby's picture in it when he was just 3 months old. The same page shows Shaggy at 3 years old. Which means Shaggy and Scooby grew up together. They did not buy him from a Pet Store. To me that proves SDGH is just a movie about the gang.
The alternative to this is that the gang doesn't really exist, and that they are all just actors who don't really act like anything other than themselves. In which case Shaggy's name isn't Shaggy. That would just be the character he plays. Fred's name wouldn't be Fred. It could be Brad Chiles Jr., and only his character is named Fred Jones. See what I mean?
@The13thGhost: You definitely have a lot of good points with everything you mention.
In response to what you replied to my last comment with though.
I didn't quite mean that the gang in SDMI could train new meddling kids; basically I meant that I think it would be a good idea if instead of SDMI that's what WB would have done, or perhaps they could use the next Scooby series as something like I mentioned.
By the way, I love the 13 Ghosts idea you mentioned. I may have to think about that when I rewrite my 13 Ghosts fan fic series; I wrote it originally as a version of 13 Ghosts without Scrappy and with Fred and Velma, but I think it could be better, so I might rewrite it some day, and maybe i'll take your advice and make the stories darker and more serious(although I cut out a lot of the comedy from the actual series, including the 4th Wall breaking).
That's a great point on Scooby goes Hollywood as well. I never thought about that; it's definitely possible that in that movie, the characters we know as Mystery Inc. were merely playing themselves in the movie.
13th Ghost, you are right. I made a mistake, I'm sorry. It wasn't pet shop, it was being raised. I didn't realize that, and I see your point.
I don't know why exactly I like Fred and Daphne better than Shaggy and Daphne. To tell the truth, Shaggy and Daphne are a better couple. The reason I said Fred and Daphne were better was because I really like Shaggy's girlfriends, besides Velma. Shaggy's two most interesting girlfriends were Googie and Crystal. I really like the "Crystal" idea as in she is an alien. That is why I like Fred and Daphne better, not Shaggy and Daphne. Fred is truthfully not the best for Daphne. But Shaggy's love interests are very interesting.
@Adam Thanks.
I agree with you then on WB just doing something new with a mystery-solving theme. Hanna-Barbera even did that multiple times with Josie, Funky Fantom, Speed Buggy, etc.
Thanks. I've got some ideas for a 13GSD fanfic. I'll probably never get around to writing it though.
@Scoobylover Thanks.
I agree that Shaggy's girlfriends are an interesting side story of the series. He has had the most relationships out of any of them (that we see). In the Scooby and Scrappy Puppy Hour series, Shaggy was even going out with two girls at once, and neither of them minded! He ended up having Scooby fill in as the second girl's date. She didn't notice that he was a dog because her eyesight was worse than Velma's. Funny episode. Still, out of all of them, Daphne was the one for him, in my opinion. That's why I'm fine with WB having both characters dating others, just so long as they come back together in the end.
I liked Googie, but I thought the Crystal thing was far-fetched. I guess it's cool that he was able to woo them. In both cases though he doesn't stay with them. The Shaggy/Daphne relationship is the only one that seems to endure. But why put Daphne with Fred just so Shaggy can keep dating various women? Why not just say Daphne should find some new guy to go with?
If any of my questions seem annoying to you, it's not my intention. I'm just curious. Feel free to ignore this if you want to.
You have a point there on Daphne, 13th Ghost. It's better for her to find someone besides Fred. Fred is pretty boring with Daphne. You're right that the Shaggy/Daphne relationship is the only one that seems to endure. But in actuality, maybe everyone in the gang should just look for another person rather than someone in the gang.
I agree with you on that. I think if they are going to have relationships in SDMI then it should be with new characters outside the gang. They should all just be friends. That way we can see how the characters interact as friends rather than be distracted by "romance" drama. Any romance they have will be with outside characters and thus won't be a main focus of the story. It will compliment the story, not dominate it.
Yeah, 13th Ghost. I personally agree. In season 1 of SDMI I hated how much the relationship dominated the story line. Relationships are just unnecessary and shouldn't be explored. I mean it's a kids show... but if there was relationships, they should, like Scoobylover said, just go out with people outside of the gang, so they can just be four friends and a dog.
That's right, Jesse. By the way, 13th Ghost, if you'd really like to make a 13GSD fanfic, if you could write it you should write it here: [[http://scooby-doofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Scooby_Doo_Fanon_Wiki]]. It is a great fanon site. If you have other places, then that's okay. Just a suggestion. By the way, I am the user Scoobylover on that wiki (pretty obvious, but oh well). I'd love to see a new series there!
Oops. I can't figure out how to do a link. Anyway, check out Scooby-Doo Fanon Wiki by googling it.
@The13thGhost: No problem, and that's cool that you have ideas for one.
As for Shaggy's romantic interests, for some reason I think of him as being like the anti Johnny Bravo.
In that show, Johnny's always hitting on women, but getting turned down with kind of hillarious results most times.
In Shaggy's case, I think he's the anti Johnny Bravo because while girls are interested in him, except for rare cases Shaggy can never make a move to tell a particular girl that he likes her.
For some reason I also keep thinking of Shaggy as(and you guys might find this funny, but here goes) sort of a ladies man.
Not really someone who's suave, and has no problem getting a girlfriend, but someone who if a pretty girl is in trouble, or needs Shaggy(and Scooby's help), has no problem going to that girl's rescue, just for the fact that he can't resist a pretty face.
I have a similar perception of Shaggy. He is indeed a lady's man and can get most girls if he tries. I think his problem was that he had trouble in being able to commit. He was probably afraid that he was not with the right one at the time (true until he hooked up with Daphne IMO). Which explains why he had so many girlfriends. It might also explain SDMI, but in that case I think Shaggy never really wanted to be in that relationship. Seemed to me like he was being roped into it, and then didn't want to hurt Velma by breaking up with her. He only did it when she forced the issue. Only after she changed did he reconsider.
Leaving that aside though, I think Shaggy's main appeal is in his talents and his humor. He's my favorite SD character so I... wouldn't like to think of him as being ugly, just like how I don't like to think of him as being stupid. I would rather think of him as good looking in a grungy way, but I suppose I might have to accept the possibility that in the SD universe he is not considered attractive. In that case it would be his heart that the women go for most. His personality and character. However I prefer to think that he is about equal to Fred in looks, just in a different style, and that he is smart but plays dumb sometimes just for joking around. So in my opinion the women go for what inside and outside.
He's a gymnast, a track runner, he knows how to cook, how to play the guitar (and the xylophone, and piano allegedly) and he likes dogs. What's a girl not to like? But like I said, he probably had a problem deciding if the girl was the right one or not.
Also, I wish they would bring back Bravo. That was one of the funniest cartoons I've ever seen.
@The13thGhost: Good points on Shaggy getting most girls if he tries and him being able to committ.
I guess him having so many girlfriends might be a factor of him not finding the right one. There's been at least a couple girls he's dated over the years that at least I think would be perfect for him.
However, his relationships with those girls weren't well explored either because the girl was an alien, or whatever. For example, Crystal or Madelyn Dinkley would be perfect for him, as he seemed to connect really well with both of them.
I also agree on his appeal being his talents and humor. Those definitely would be qualities that most women would go for, no question.
His heart and personality I think also make him a good catch as well, and in the early Scooby episodes, he definitely showed he was pretty smart.
I think though that he still is, and in certain cases he's shown himself to be a capable detective as well. Which is another thing that I think would give Shaggy appeal with the fairer sex.
I definitely think him being a gymnast, a track man(his words in a Scooby Doo Where Are You episode), being able to cook, being able to play musical intstruments, and liking dogs should give him appeal to girls as well.
Actually, from everything i've seen on TV and in movies, girls seem to go for athletes, musicians and dog lovers. Combine those three and you describe Shaggy to an absolute tee.
By the way, on Johnny Bravo, I thought it was an interesting show; not one of my favorites, but it was OK. If you have Boomerang by the way, you can watch the reruns of the show every night.
Hey guys, why haven't we seen a trailer for season 2? I'm dyin here CN!
@Adam Yes I wish they would portray Shaggy as smart more often. It seems Shaggy mostly is portrayed as foolish or ignorant. But like you said in the first season he was smart, and also later when it was just him Scooby and Scrappy he was smart. This dumb act has even been done to Fred, and not just in SDMI either, but ever since Pup.
@Jesse Um... we did see the trailer for season 2. In fact, we saw the first episode.
I really loved the Johnny Bravo episode. There were some really good inside jokes there, 13th Ghost. I can only remember two:
(when they were unmasking the monster)
Gang: "Joe Barbera!"
Johnny: "Who's that?"
And:
(getting chased by the Ghostly Gardener)
Velma: "Jinkies!"
Johnny: "Jinkies!...Jinkies, Jinkies. Hey, isn't that a breakfast cereal or something?"
Also, I agree with you on more of Shaggy being portrayed as smart. I really hated Fred's dumbness act in Pup. I don't like the gand being played as idiots. Shaggy should be treated more like a "cool guy." Not insisting he is dumb, at least. Like one of those popular guys in high school who is not a jerk. He's also my favorite character. I like his catchphrase. I find it's not really making him dumb, it's just kind of a...summary of his personality, mostly.
And I also find he is the most likely to have a girlfriend, based on how many "official" ones he has had. Crystal, Googie, Madelyn, Rachel...yeah. I don't think any other member of the Scooby gang has ever got that many lovers. He has great, natural talents. His ventriloquism skill I find especially great, like in Go Away Ghost Ship. If you have ever seen Jeff Dunham, a really excellent ventriloquist, I'd say he is only a bit better than Shaggy. Shaggy's sense of humor makes him a uniquely loved member of the gang, especially with food and cooking.
@13th Ghost: I mean a trailer as in for the whole season, that shows us some of the monsters we will see, a glimps into what will happen. If you've seen that, can you provide a link? cos I certainly haven't...
Oh and does anyone know an exact date for Season 2? cos it's changed from May 3 to just May on WB website...
No, but I did see a schedule over on toonzone for next month and SDMI wasn't on there at all.
You're right Scoobylover, and I forgot about his vantriloquism. Thanks.
Jesse, they probably don't have one that shows clips from other episodes. They'll probably advertise the new season with the trailer from the first episode of the new season.
As for the release date, they probably delayed it as usual. I would think they would release it on the 7th, since that's a Monday. Didn't it show on Mondays before? The 3rd is a Thursday.
Hmm. Since they only aired the first episode on Cartoon Network Australia, they might have different dates there. Man, I hate it when they delay...and delay...and delay. They might change actually when they air the episodes in this new season.
Oh yes, and there is no trailer that shows clips from other episodes. I have good sources for that.
Did Season 2 episode 1 air in Australia? I didn't hear about that at all..
Yep, it did. Guess it was a preview. But oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait for the season to actually air. If I find anything I'll say.
apparently we have to wait to mid-July for season 2. I read this on this spanish fan site. Google translate FTW!
http://scoobynetworkcenter.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/scooby-doo-misterio-sa-segunda.html
Well Mr. 13th Ghost what series of Scooby Doo do you like?
And does anyone know whats up with SDMI?? They came out with one episode (the night the clown cried) but it wasnt even on CN!!
^Ha, you said "Doo do".
Um, I like any of the Hanna-Barbera seasons SDWAY through 13GSD.
Apparently it was delayed until July. I figured this would be the case since that's when it was released last time. They still have new episodes of Adventure Time and Regular Show to burn through before that time slot opens up.
Why is there one episode of Scooby Doo MI: Season 2 (the night the clown cried) but no other ones?
The Night the Clown Cried was leaked or something?
These are the only two explanations I can think of:
CN wants to start getting people back into SDMI, so they tell the cable providers to start showing season 1 re-runs onDemand. Maybe CN accidently gave the cable providers episode 1 of the second season by mistake instead of episode 1 from the first season.
The only other thing I can think of is that CN wanted to use the onDemand data logs to see how many people selected the new episode for viewing. This would give them an idea of how well the new season will do in the ratings.
@Jesse just look it up on google and there should be a few sites with it
Strangely enough its not CN or anybody big, just some online TV episodes website. It wasnt that good, but at least its there.
I saw the episode ages ago when it came out, I'm just looking forward for it's TV release so I can expect episode 2 of season 2 a week after that 🙂
According to TV.com SDMI is back with "The Night the Clown Cried" on July 10th.
http://www.tv.com/shows/scooby-doo-mystery-incorporated/
I saw it too. Even though it may not be true, I believe it's very possible because it didn't come out in May so there are many possibilities that the date is true.
The previous season was released in July too wasn't it?
According to the UK site, New Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated will be airing tomorrow! On the TV guide, it says New.. you guys check it out. Its Boomerangtv.co.uk