SD:MI Series Finale Airs Tonight!
This is it, folks. The series finale of Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated airs tonight. Are you excited?
Chapter 51: Through The Curtain: Scooby-Doo and the rest of Mystery Inc. pursue Professor Pericles and his cohorts through the caverns.
Chapter 52: Come Undone: Scooby must destroy the evil entity and save the world from Planet X.
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Please as soon as anyone has links to the last 2 episodes, please put them up here!
Just don't post any ilegal links guys, That's all I ask:}
I can tell you though, that was amazing!
LinkedIn pages:
Jason Wyatt (Line Producer at Warner Bros. Animation) -
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonwyatt
He lists -
Scooby-Doo! Mystery, Incorporated (Completed)
Scooby-Doo! Spooky Games (Completed)
Scooby-Doo! Haunted Holiday (Completed)
Scooby-Doo! Mask of the Blue Falcon (Completed)
Sccoby-Doo! Stage Fright
Scooby-Doo! Mecha Mutt Menace (Completed)
Scooby-Doo and the Scarecrow
Scooby-Doo Goal!
Scooby-Doo Beach Blanket Beastie
Sunisa Petchpoo (Production Manager at Warner Bros. Animation) - http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sunisa-petchpoo/25/16a/9b6
She Lists -
Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the Frankencreep
Scooby-Doo and the Maniacal Mecha Mutt Special
Scooby-Doo and the Scarecrow's Curse Special
Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated (season two / 26 episodes)
Scooby-Doo! Spooky Games Special
Scooby-Doo Theatrical promo
Scooby-Doo McDonald's commercial
Well, Episode 25 is up on
www.watchcartoononline.com
I watched it and my heart is still beating really fast. I was actually shivering the whole time! Now I'm waiting for Episode 26!!
The ending was amazing and I can tell you it was one of the most spectacular endings I've ever seen until now.
Am I the only one who thinks that this just opened the doors for another seres?
This is it! That was one of the best series ever! I really dig that new Crystal Cove as the sunniest place on Earth. The credits change was also good. I have to say that Harlan Ellison isn't a good Mr. E, and when that Evil Entity devoured everyone, I almost cried. During episode 51, I wanted to kill Pericles with my own hands! OK, three people just killed by that evil bird? Ed Machine (for what reason exactly?), Cassidy Williams (he is evil, so that's minus one obstacle) and Hot Gog Water (just for the fun of it!). But HDW was right when she threatened the Kriegstaffa Bots (new spelling, probably the correct) and the Mystery Inc. folks by holding Pericles.
Unbelievable... So many thoughts and theories.
The weird thing about it all is that technically this is an origin story. I mean I always thought that SDWAY came before this. But since none of those mysteries had happened yet and the van wasn't painted, that means that this show has ended before anything in SDWAY has even happened. Suddenly it all makes sense why they had encountered the Luna Ghost and Flim Flam and Scrappy already when we all knew that they met them much later. It makes sense why only certain monsters appeared in the Spooky museum, some hadn't happened in this dimension at all and many of the things that had occurred ended up differently than in the mainstream continuity.
From a continuity standpoint this means that every series from the 70's could fit into happening after SDMI (The 80's stuff doesn't fit because of Fred's last name as well as Coolsville's name), probably the current DTV stuff could fit into this particular universe as well. I feel like this does support that there are multiple continuities for SD. All in all one of the few satisfactory series finale I've seen.
I haven't been on these boards in FOREVER, been busy with a lot of stuff. But I finally got all caught up and watched the finale three episodes yesterday. Wow. I am utterly blown away. No other Scooby Doo series will be able to compare to this, in my mind. So EPIC. What an ending! I was just blown away by the detail and it felt like I was watching an action-adventure movie, not just some episode of Scooby Doo. The 3rd to last episode reminded me of the Matrix and Indiana Jones a bit and I LOVED the gang and the townspeople fighting back. These last two episodes were so serious and powerful (and so much death!) but it was great. And the ending made me so happy-- everything was restored and it was so happy and such a nice contrast to the horrific evil entity destroying everything.
The last three episodes were just so emotional-- for the characters and for me (like I agree with a previous poster-- I was also literally crying-- Hot Dog Water died and then the whole town was getting eaten by the Evil Entity-- FREAKED.ME.OUT. Especially Sheriff Stone and the mayor..and they had like bodies hanging out of his mouth and he slurped them up like noodles. If I was a kid, that part would give me nightmares forever. But it's so obviously not just a kid show-- it's for everyone.
I hate Cartoon Network for not giving this show the slot it deserved-- it shoud've advertised this and built up to it and had one episode per week, not bleeding it out like it did. Why do all the crappy kids' shows today on CN get all the attention, but a show this intelligent, witty, and epic with a great plotline gets nothing? I think time and Netflix will build up the SDMI fanbase and people will eventually realize what a great show it was.
@LilacScoob
Couldn't agree more, everybody who wanted a dark Scooby Doo definitely got it with SDMI. In fact I'm almost a little shocked they got away with some of those things.
And I definitely agree about CN, they are so clueless anymore.
My favorite part of the ending is the laugh track inserted at the end few seconds. It feels like it all come full circle. My only real problem with the ending was that the town remained Crystal Cove instead of turning into Coolsville. Without the Crystal Cove ever existing that never should have been the inspiration for the name. But I suppose that's realitvely minor. Otherwise it was a wonderful ending.
Honestly, I loved it. I want to kiss the feet of the creators of SDMI. They created something that is really beautiful. I find it so weird that Fred isn't Fred Jones! He's actually Fred Chiles now! And now I just want more! I want another series to follow that cos it was amazing! And I really want to see an "Art of Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated" book released. I'm not sure if that's ever gonna happen though
since this seiries is over i hope there is another seiries about them solving mysterys on their way to meet Harlen Elison.
@monster man
I think the implication at the end is that SDWAY and many of the other series are what they did on their way to meet Harlen Elison.
But I would still like another series with this animation style, but with more of the comedy of the original.
you are probably right strangely most of the whats new scooby doo episodes weren't in coolsvil instead they were traveling to places.
Only a handful of episodes from the original series even take place in their hometown, after where are you they are almost always on the road (I'd say that from a continuity standpoint the episodes of where are you that do take place in their hometown might just have been in that period that they were finishing up school before they started their road trip).
I wouldn't always trust the spelling used in the credits. Whoever does them just doesn't pay attention or things change during production and the credits and corrected correspondingly.
^ I meant to say are not corrected correspondingly. Some of the credits even give different first and last names.
Scooby-Doo! Beach Blanket Beastie is an upcoming film. At least they're recording lines for it. http://instagram.com/p/XsMn4yv0qT/
... Yeah, I'll probably get some dirty looks but... This was an epically bad ending to an epically bad series.
The "writers" tried so hard to make a deep storyline out of this that they failed to realize that they contradicted their own premise. If the world that was created was the result of Nibiru, and destroying it's link to this world made things revert such as the old Mystery Inc and the Darrow family, then wouldn't this also make the ancient mystery gangs revert as well? There would be no Mayan mystery solvers, no friar mystery solvers, no old west mystery solvers, etc. And thus the current town, setting, and social composition wouldn't exist. The whole point of Nibiru was that everything we saw in the series was the result of his influence. If everything reverts then the gang wouldn't even know each other. There wouldn't be a gang in the first place. Not only would the gang not know each other, but they would probably all live in different parts of the country. Like someone else mentioned, the town is still called Crystal Cove, yet the series said it was named that because of the crystal sarcophagus that the Spanish conquistadors brought there. Dare I write that it's even likely that the gang would not even have been born at all if all of history was changed like this. Remember that Brad and Judy (and Ricky and Cass) only got together in the old reality because of their love of mystery solving. If that never existed, then Brad and Judy would not have gotten together, and thus Fred would have never been born. Now apply this to all of history dating back to the Mayans.
Worst of all is that the characters still contradict the series even in the new reality. Fred's name is still Fred Chiles and not Fred Jones like it's supposed to be (they should have made Brad and Judy the Jones' and Fred Sr.'s last name Chiles), SDWAY is thrown into doubt because it's like that never happened (which means Fred and Daphne's parents wouldn't be sitting together planning out their wedding because there would be little or no history between Fred and Daphne), and the part with Shaggy shows that he's actually an accomplished chef and Velma is involved with the sciences (which means neither of them ever had any reason to join in with the others to form Mystery Inc). The lack of a Mystery Machine confirms this. There are other examples, but that should convey my concern with this storyline. These aren't plot holes, they're plot pits.
The other thing I noticed about this that I found troubling was when Marcy used phrases like "This is no time for fooling around V" and "That's my girl" as she laid back on Velma's bed. That's really suggestive for a cartoon that kids watch.
Lastly, about the storyline in general, I think this episode just sums up what I've been saying about this version the whole time: This is NOT Scooby-Doo. This is like a new cartoon with a somewhat new plot but with a Scooby-Doo theme slapped haphazardly onto it. If they had just made brand new characters and put them into this series instead of using the Scooby-Doo characters, I think this show would have been more popular. As it stands, this version distorted and changed the Scooby-Doo characters into something they aren't and never were. This also doesn't place anywhere in the continuity and just exists as a standalone story that doesn't even make sense within the context of itself.
Who sealed Nibiru away in the first place? How did they create all those alternate dimensions? How did Nibiru influence anyone through those various multiple dimensions? Or was the sarcophagus in the real world the whole time and those doors were just access points to that part of Crystal Cove? If so, why not seal him away in alternate dimensions? Why create a disc that shows people where Nibiru is? Also, why didn't the Myan mystery gang destroy Nibiru if they knew how? Why would the townspeople stay in Crystal Cove after being taken by Pericles to unseal the cavern?
Seriously, I think a more logical ending would have been for Crystal Cove to be destroyed, but the town would have been evacuated first. Then the gang survives because of the Anunaki shielded them from the blast. But that reality would continue just without Nibiru's influence anymore. The town's destruction would be a mystery to everyone except those who knew of the curse and what the Scooby-Doo gang did to end it. This new reality ending just destroys everything the series was building up and makes it all seem like a pointless waste of time.
My rating for this series is 0 out of 10. That may look harsh, but there is just nothing redeemable in this version.
You bring up some valid contradictions, but you also fail to see a lot of things.
Did Hot Dog Water really die? And what's up with Harlan Ellison being Mr. E?
@The 13th Ghost: I understand you didn't like this show and I'm not going to get mad at you for it. 🙂 Personally, I did love this show from start to finish, even though I will agree there were some storyline errors here and there (like what happened to the real Nova, or who threw the book to the gang at the end of Night Terrors?).
Oh well, at least it got a proper ending. I just wish Tony and Spike the best of luck on their next projects.
@The 13th Ghost
You have many valid points. Moreover, you are right; this is not Scooby Doo, certainly not the Scooby Doo that debuted in 1969. However, I feel like maybe that was the point. Think about it, that entire dark universe was phased out of existence only for the gang to ride into the sunset with a laugh track in the background. They erased everything that had happened and replaced it with the classic Scooby world that we’ve always known.
And you’re correct that this show changed them into something they never were. But here’s the thing, everything about their lives and who they were has been erased and replaced. Therefore, you are correct they are not this way, they never have been, SDMI is just a vague memory of what might have been.
And as for where it stands in the continuity it’s implied that this takes place immediately before SDWAY. After all, they’ve just painted the mystery machine and have decided to solve every mystery they come across, it’s the starting point for them. If you look back at the spooky museum, you’ll notice things like the Luna ghost and Charlie the robot. Neither of those things makes sense being in that museum. The Luna ghost they encountered in their 20’s and Charlie the robot was last seen working at the fair, he certainly shouldn’t be in the museum.
This implies that all the capers and mysteries in that museum happened in a different way than they did in the original series. This means that all the classic capers we saw happened much differently than we know them to have occurred. So at the end of the series the gang might be riding off to solve those mysteries in the way we know them to have occurred.
And the lack of the evil entity doesn’t mean that all those groups wouldn’t have ended up friends. After all the gang were convinced that their friendship was real, that all the love they felt was real. Who’s to say it wasn’t real for those other groups. They all might have existed in the same way as before, but this time without the corruption of the entity.
And as for the crystal cove name it is a plot oversight, but at the same time I suppose it isn’t completely impossible. As we saw in the flashback, the crystal cove already existed when they were sealing the entity in. The only thing that changed in the past was the entity not existing. It is therefore possible that the inter-dimensional beings had made the crystal cove just in case it should be needed. However, with the evil entity never existing it wasn’t used. Perhaps it was still left on top of that temple for decoration, maybe a primitive race believed it was god. Then the conquistadors stole it and buried it where crystal cove was to be founded. But without the evil entity inside it to influence people it became just a fabled treasure and nothing more, an empty sarcophagus. Ultimately, things might have transpired just the same, just without the evil influence it had contained previously.
To answer some of your other questions the inter-dimensional beings while on Earth sealed the evil entity away. The sarcophagus was on Earth the entire time and the alternate dimension gateways were to prevent all who were not worthy from getting inside (How those gates where built I don’t know). The conquistadors buried the sarcophagus, perhaps not able to open it themselves. Perhaps the evil entity thought that someone might accidentally destroy the crystal cove so he hid himself by instructing the conquistadors, waiting for a group that would be smart enough to release him from his prison. Therefore, he influenced people from afar waiting for the day when someone would be smart enough to figure out how to release him.
I will say you are right that they did make it rather pointless as everything the group accomplished never ended up happening in the first place. It might as well have been just a dream. However, I can appreciate that they did this ultimately so it could lead into SDWAY.
As for Fred’s last name, it doesn’t really matter. After all none of their last names nor the town name were introduced until the 80’s. As I’ve said before this show could fit into continuity with all the series from the 70’s.
And as I’ve said previously it’s likely that the Scooby universe has multiple continuities. After all some shows fit together while others don’t. Even Mr. E alluded to the fact that the dimension had changed before, who’s to say the Scooby universe isn’t constantly being rewritten by supernatural forces (Or more realistically writers). So make up your own timelines and go with it, which is part of the fun with cartoons.
In the end I understand why you don’t like the show. The thing is that they didn’t make this show to appeal to everyone. They decided to make a dark installment into the franchise. Make no mistake this wasn’t a comedy, it was a what if scenario. What if Scooby Doo were a horror based Sci-fi story? Now we know.
You might even compare it to PNSD or SASDGAC or even the live action movies, they were made using a different narrative style, different characterization, different type of villain and a different visual style. They were made to appeal to a certain group. They reference classic Scooby but they are clearly not part of that mold. They try something different for the sake of not always doing the same thing. SDMI will have its fans and it will have its haters as all SD incarnations do. It was a calculated risk, and even if you didn’t like the show you have to admit it was an interesting ride.
The 13th Ghost, you make some insightful points. And I acknowledge your entitlement to your own opinion. I do agree with some of your points, such as Crystal Cove still existing and all of that. I definitely disagree with your score of the show overall, I think it deserves much, much more than 0/10. SDMI may not be Scooby as you know him. But that's what I love about it. But I don't think creators will "get away with" (I made a pun!) doing the same old thing for the next hundred years. If they tried, Scooby Doo would die, and we definitely don't want that (unless you're content with the old series.) I may not like everything about SDMI, but the things you've mentioned (even if you see them as plot pits) definitely aren't on my list of important things-to-note. I also have a question for you, Have you seen every series of Scooby-Doo?
@The 13th Ghost
Just to add a few more points...
The benefit of this type of ending is that ultimately it never happened. Sure there's a last name and town name that don't gel with continuity, but those things aside the Scooby universe is remarkably left where it started from, it ends on a blank canvas.
I think part of your problem is that you keep on comparing this show to the other SD shows, which is of course the thing everybody does at first. But you might consider watching this without comparing it to the other incarnations. Try viewing it as a work on it's own rather than its relation to other series.
It's sort of like a movie adaptation of your favorite book. You will always hate it because you see the changes from page to screen, you see the difference in characterization and it can drive you nuts to see things differently than you expected. But even if it sucks as an adaptation of the source material it doesn't mean it fails as a movie on its own.
It's okay if you hate it, but you might like it even a little if you look at it like you know nothing about Scooby Doo. Really even if it doesn't make sense as part of the Scooby lore it is still an interesting story by itself. At first I didn't really like the show at all, but ultimately I changed my perspective of what it is as a series. I look at it independently from the other Scooby shows and I appreciate it a lot more as a standalone piece of work.
How would you make another series based off SDMI?
1. SDMI is NOT Scooby-Doo and they're just using his name? That's what Get a Clue was.
2. This isn't supposed to be your run of the mill Scooby-Doo series. Yes a lot things were changed, but that's the whole point. They're supposed to be different otherwise it would have been exactly the same as what we've seen before. They were trying to see what else they could do with the characters and in a standalone series you could kind of get away with it because it didn't interfere with the regular continuity (but then again the regular continuity has been messed up a little bit recently anyway if you ask me).
3. We're now going back to the whole "SDWAY is a sequel to SDMI."? How exactly? It's just inconcievable to think that when there are so many contradictions.
4. Mystery Inc. were saved from the revised timeline. The universe reshaped around them. The worst thing they could have done is make them forget too because it would have been like Harlan Ellison saying "Hey, you wanna solve some mysteries?" And they'd answer "No, we why would we wanna do that? And who are you anyway." Yes in the new timeline it wouldn't have made sense to have all of them together, but as I said they were spared because they basically won.
5. I'm not really sure about Ellison being the next (or first) Mr. E. Was his entire persona a cover up before? Did he know about Mystery Inc.'s destiny all along? I think he may have been made aware when the universe was reshaped. I thought it would've been nice to see Hatecraft as the next Mr. E, but perhaps because he was a fraud and Ellison's name is obviously a nice match and more reasonable than Hatecraft was.
6. Some things they've intentionally avoided even in the original timeline. Most prominently Fred's birthname which likely ends with Chiles. Even in the original timeline his birth parents couldn't be bothered to say or Fred even ask. Fred did live with that name all his life. So they're respecting that - they're respecting the name of their only child that was given to him by his kidnapper? Even when they're on their own they call him Fred. Why? So the viewers don't get confused? Give us more credit than that. Look, it's obvious there was some influence going on. And one of them being was Fred is still Fred even in the new universe. He shouldn't be but he is obviously because he's based on the original incarnation. (I think that's the one thing was slapped on was Fred's whole new backstory. The others were just normal. He had to made a junior of someone who isn't even his real father. Making him kind of the nameless leader who's only connection is that he's based on the original incarnation and that's why he's called Fred (of course he has to be because it is Fred...). They could've made another leader, but that would be missing the point of having all the true members of Mystery Inc..) Maybe Mayor Jones and Brad are such good friends in this timeline?
7. A lot of it could've done with some fine tuning, but like I've said before the franchise has never done this type of show before not one with so much drama which was kind of their undoing in some scenes such Pericles as putting the Disc in a wall that was never followed up on. Why does Destroido have an insert for the Disc anyway and what does it do? Ricky found a secret mechanical wall and built Destroido over that?
8. I very much agree that Hot Dog Water's line, "That's my girl", was far too suggestive and inappropriate for a kids show.
9. I kind of wondered if they did have any influence then why wouldn't they have made themselves mystery solvers as that's the main thing they like to do? Some questions are better left alone as some things probably just happened. Such as Mayor Jones coming to Crystal Cove when there was no reason for him to go there? Well it could've just been his career move?
10. What do the Dinkleys do for a living now that there wouldn't have been fake monsters to make profit from?
11. Ed Machine as usual is left out. Maybe he still works for Ricky?
12. I doubt the Gator family wouldn't have been changed. Mystery Inc. wouldn't have been there to stop their counterfeiting job.
14. Why couldn't all the Blake sisters be successful? They didn't have to have their careers taken away just to make Daphne look better. All she achieved was getting engaged to Fred. Unless all the parents were told about the Miskatonic University acceptance.
15. Scooby gets accepted into Miskatonic University? The only way he could have an excuse to be there all the time. Pets may not be allowed there.
16. Pericles looked unnaturally happy.
17. I'm sure some of us have imagined how it could have ended, but I don't think there's nothing more controversial than when Crystal Cove became a fiery apocalyptic hell. I can't say I'm a fan because of that (all of the townspeople were upsettingly (for them at least) sucked into the Evil Entity), but it probably could've been a lot worse than what they did and Mystery Inc. will be in peril as greater than that. I think that's one of the best scenes of the episode is when they all saved each other from falling into Nibiru (or Planet X or whatever).
18. All the deceased characters (and some living) had good parts of them trapped in the Sitting Room because of the (which I think was more like the Evil Entity's influence) and destroying the Evil Entity would free them and let the deceased finally lay to rest and when all of reality was changed that never got to happen, but the fact that reality was changed without the Evil Entity's presence they would've lived full and happy lives for all intents and purposes.
@Guest In theory, the real Nova never fell into the horrible herd and was never injured, so she lived. But this doesn't explain why Scooby forgot about her at the end. As for the Night Terrors episode, Cassidy threw the book out the window to them. She also climbed into Velma's room and left clues about the Darrow family.
@Strangely I understand wanting something new, but my feeling is that if a company is going to do something new then they should use new characters and make a truly new show. So I think they should have either taken Scooby-Doo and kept the original formula and characters and made everything better with better writing and better graphics, OR if they wanted to use this storyline, they should have just created brand new characters and given us brand new series. But would this storyline have been liked had it not been Scooby-Doo themed?
I think the gang could have ridden off into the sunset without erasing their entire past. That's my main gripe with this ending, is that none of it happened and now it's as if they live in an alternate reality with everyone they ever knew being gone, in a sense.
As for place in the timeline, there's no possible way this can be place with SDWAY. The beginning of the series said that SDWAY took place before that. Yet the ending says that SDWAY did not take place at all now, and if SDWAY is to take place after this ending then how will that work? The gang has memories of the SDWAY mysteries. They know who all the villains are. Basically they'd just be walking into each mystery knowing what to do and who the villains are. Plus they basically said at the end that they created a world without mysteries. So there's no way anything else can follow SDMI, unless it contradicts it, which in that case it's entirely possible.
Erased and replaced by what? We don't get to see what. Besides, the gang is the same, as if not from that reality. They knew nothing of their lives in the new reality. They didn't even have a direction on what to do until they were given one by some mysterious professor at a college. Quite sad really. I'm surprised none of them lamented their actions and wished to return to their old lives.
Yes, but Charlie was encountered in SDWAY, which means that took place before SDMI. If it takes place afterward, then the gang will already know the Funland mystery, in which case they will not solve them in the way that we saw in SDWAY because in that version they didn't know the mystery before they started meddling. By the way, in SDWAY's Foul Play in Funland, Scooby hates clams. In SDMI he loves them. Just throwing that out there.
Whether their friendship was real or not is never found out, as they leave and that is the last we see of them. Who knows how well they got along on that van trip? Maybe they stopped talking to each other after 15 minutes because they found they had nothing else in common. But in any case, my point is that without Nibiru they would not have formed a mystery solving gang in the first place.
Actually, scratch the Crystal Cove gripe. Cletus Darrow found gold there and renamed the town. It had nothing to do with Nibiru. Or at least that's what the first episode said.
I was just wondering how the conquistadors were able to bury the sarcophagus in a way that inter-dimensional doors led to it. Seems like they would just bury it deep underground somewhere and that would be the best they could do.
I agree that there are different timelines. The WB versions have separate timelines even among each other. But I don't think it's possible for SDMI to connect with any other version, especially not the Hanna-Barbera versions.
I have never and will never make the mistake to call it a comedy, I assure you. I agree it was a "what if", but I just think it should have presented itself as such in that case. By linking itself to SDWAY it portrayed itself as a legitimate installment. Get a Clue I liked because it never even hinted at being legitimate. Same with Pup. These carried themselves as jokes right from the start.
Sorry, I didn't find it interesting. I just find myself interested in the originals again because I want to go back to watching true Scooby-Doo.
It isn't that I compare it to anything. I simply take it within its own context, and even then it doesn't make sense, it's not funny, and there are too many things that don't belong in the show. For example, I am no Frephne fan, but I can tolerate it so long as it's not awful. Well, this was awful. It was blatant and in your face. Fred acted badly toward Daphne and she kept clinging onto him and lowering her standards until she eventually gave up enough of herself to where she matched Fred's ignorance. Then it was rushed at the end, as if the writers knew they had to tie it up as a loose end since they chose to go forward with it again. I just find this and other plots to be poorly written and a mockery to the characters.
@Jesse WB is following the formula somewhat closely with the direct-to-video animated movies, so I don't see the series dying from that. I only see it dying from being changed and distorted. Yes I have seen every series of Scooby-Doo, except for the totally off the wall ones like the live-action TV movies, which I don't even consider to be legitimate.
@Anythingspossibleforapossible That was Get a Clue as well, but at least that never portrayed itself as serious business. The way I see it, if you want to make a Scooby-Doo series, you stick to what Scooby is about. If you want to write something new, you come up with new characters for a new series.
I agree that SDMI can't connect to SDWAY, neither as prequel nor sequel. Don't you think it would have been better if they had stayed in their own timeline but with Nibiru being destroyed or disconnected from their universe?
The thing with Ellison doesn't seem to make sense either, but it wasn't even explained, so I just ignored it.
You're right, Fred shouldn't be Fred in the new reality if he was never kidnapped, unless Brad and Judy just happened to name him Fred.
I figured that wall was just some computerized analyzer.
Thanks, I have read other people complain about that HDW line as well.
The fact they aren't mystery solvers is proof that Nibiru was responsible for it. Would have made for a better ending had they still be mystery solvers even without Nibiru.
The university acceptance didn't come until after that wedding talk. Plus, the sisters weren't dressed up in their professional attire like usual.
@The 13th Ghost
SDWAY could still take place after SDMI. Yes it’s true that the gang had encountered some of the SDWAY mysteries in their original timeline. But you're forgetting that just because they encountered those mysteries in the past doesn’t mean they would have encountered them at the exact same time as they did originally. In the new universe, they might still encounter them, just at a different time than originally.
And we don’t know if they have memories of all the previous mysteries they’ve solved. It is possible that they’re memories only pertain to the events around Nibiru. And the spooky museum only shows a few of their rogues gallery, there are still plenty more they didn’t encounter. Plus haven’t you always wondered how the gang solved the mystery with very few clues.
And as I said before some of those SDWAY mysteries that occurred in the SDMI universe may have happened differently than in SDWAY. Recall the Luna ghost, Flim flam and Charlie the robot being there. Charlie the robot was last seen working at the fair and wouldn’t be in the museum. Flim flam and the Luna ghost we know were encountered much later. This indicates that most of the mysteries had either different timing or circumstances behind them. Things might have happened drastically different from the way we’d seen before (Recall the missing chick in the creeper flashback). Consider that the mysteries may have played out differently being that SDMI was a different universe.
Ultimately the ending is vague enough where it could lead into SDWAY. I don’t see that many obstacles that prevents it from doing so. It’s just a theory, but I think it’s possible.
I'm really hoping they decide to do a blu-ray release for the series. Or at the very least put out a complete series DVD. I don't particularly like the separate volumes, both because of the space it takes up and the bad cover art.
I left out "curse" in #17 if you didn't already know. (The Evil Entity's influence was the curse, but you probably already knew that.)
APNSD was a true attempt at a Scooby-Doo series while exaggerate their personalities because they were younger. The creator of obviously thought he could use Mystery Inc. in his own show instead of creating new protagonists. It could've easily been Inspector Gadget verses Phibes because Phibes is very much like Claw. In season one Phibes would send out villains of the week to stop Shaggy and Scooby and in the last episode he basically said "I'll get you next time" like Claw would saw at the end of every episode.
Maybe in the new timeline some of the monsters they face will be encontered elsewhere, but it very much sounded like these monsters were all intended to be really citizens of Crystal Cove. But to say that SDMI leads DIRECTLY into WAY is complete and utter ignorance. As I said I would think perhaps a new version of WAY at the very least.
@Strangely Um... either it took place before SDMI or after. The beginning says it took place before, and the ending suggests it never took place at all since that was all Nibiru's doing. Without Nibiru those people will not engage in those crimes.
Daphne referenced Danny Darrow and Velma referenced their prior mysteries. There's no reason to believe that they don't remember the SDWAY mysteries.
Uh, I'm not going to assume they had inside knowledge during SDWAY because of SDMI. Are we to downplay the original characters simply because of one thoughtless ending in a series created decades later? Besides, there are SDWAY episodes where they outright say they don't know what's going on. Plus, there was the Creeper episode, which took place near their hometown, but in SDMI they are traveling across the country.
In the first episode of SDMI Velma correctly calls off the identities of the villains from SDWAY. They might happen in different ways, but the villains are the same. The Luna ghost and others were just references for nostalgia.
There aren't that many obstacles that prevent it, but the ones that exist are impassable.
Separate volumes are done to rack up more profits. It's a scam, like Blu-ray. They did a similar thing with ThunderCats, only worse.
* The creator of Get a Clue. Sorry, I SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION.
If SDMI were to be continued (God forbid), then I only see one option: to have the gang encounter real supernatural occurrences that are the result of intersecting dimensions.
@The 13th Ghost
It makes no difference when those mysteries took place as that universe didn't happen. And we don't know that the entity was behind every single crime committed, even the flashback in the end only glimpsed over monsters directly related to the entity. Some of those crimes might have happened anyway. I'm not saying it's a perfect connection, I'm only saying that seems to be the implication the ending left us with.
And how exactly is blu-ray a scam?
@Anythingspossibleforapossible
I'm saying it seems like it leads to those events or any of the other Scooby shows. Naturally they probably wouldn't play out exactly the same as in the original series. But it's not as if they're going to remake everything just to retcon a few things. The intention of the ending is to say that all those mysteries might have followed. Ultimately SDMI is meant as an origin story and it was full of continuity based problems, it did the same thing that Mystery Begins did, it ended on the implication that some of their classic mysteries were to follow.
My ultimate point is that in this universe SDMI is the origin story and is implied to naturally lead into the various other shows. At the very least the laugh track homage at the end implies that the mysteries to follow are classically styled and much more lighthearted than the Niburu based mysteries of Crystal Cove.
I'm not saying anyone has to accept it as fact or anything, Just that for this particular installment that's what the writers were going for. It doesn't bother me even with the massive continuity problems just because I believe the Scooby universe has multiple realities and each series probably plays out differently in each universe.
Blu-ray is pretty much equal to DVD quality but more expensive. DVDs are still widely popular because any upgrade offered by Blu-ray is not good enough to justify buying a new player.
Actually Blu-ray offers a huge improvement over DVD. But it would look the same as DVD if you don't have a hi-def tv obviously.
The difference is insignificant.
Well in a nutshell Blu-ray is better because it holds more data than a DVD. On that basis alone it outdoes DVDs. The Blu-ray disks are also more scratch resistant than DVD's. And the high definition video has much more detail and clarity than standard definition.
Granted I don't buy everything on Blu-ray, I buy the stuff where the details matter.
And if you truly think the difference is that insignificant than you must believe that DVD's are a scam as well as CD's.
Yeah but DVD's have more than enough space to hold an entire movie plus special features. Blu-ray's storage capacity is superfluous.
Scratch resistance is just a matter of what type of coating is used. Plus, Blu-ray has a thinner layer, which means if you do manage to scratch it, you're screwed. With a DVD you can cut the layer to eliminate the scratches. Even this is meaningless, as how many people really have this problem? Just take care of the discs.
The detail and clarity is better, but negligible. This is a matter of opinion. We'll each see different things, so there's no point in talking about that.
DVDs are different because they are a giant leap up from CDs.
@13thGhost I respect your opinion of course, but you are incorrect on one point. DVD does not have the space or capacity to handle high definition. A typical DVD can hold up to 8GB of space. A typical HD movie takes up a lot more than that{for example, a movie like The Fugitive takes up about 21GB} which is why blu-ray needs the extra space.