Promo Fail!{And Other Randomess}
It seems WB got a little lazy with the recent Aloha Scooby Doo Blu-ray. Instead of making a new trailer for the Scooby Doo! Mystery Inc: Volume 2 DVD, they just took the promo for Volume 1 and slapped Volume 2 on there. In fact, the ad still advertises it as the first four episodes{the image below doesn’t say that, but they definitely say the first four}.
For anyone who’s interested, here’s what the menus on the Blu-Ray look like.
On a related note, SD:MI lost to Spongebob Sqaurepants at the Kids Choice Award last week. Disappointing, but not surprising.
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Not surprising at all. SDMI misses most target audiences. Little kids don't like it because Scooby doesn't do a whole lot, and because there's teenage BS going on most of the time. Teens don't like it because they are "adults" and cartoons are for little kids. Adults don't like it because it's nothing like the original, and because of the teenage BS going on most of the time. So that pretty much leaves kids between 8 and 12 liking it, but of course they don't get all the obscure pop culture references in the show, so it's lost on them.
Thus Misery Stink gets beaten by an obnoxious sponge. If I were in charge of writing for this show, Scooby-Doo would make killer ratings and would crush every other TV show out there! Believe it!
And oh, WB is lazy with the promo you say? Well yeah, what do you expect? They're lazy with the entire show.
Ah ha ha ha! I just remembered something. Didn't Misery Stink have an episode with spookified children and the "cure" was to turn on the TV (in an abandoned house with no electricity no less) so the kids would watch some Broccoli cartoon that was a parody of Spongebob? Ha ha ha ha!!! How apposite. Beaten by the very cartoon they made fun of.
They're lazy on every release, this is no surprise. Also Believe it! the ratings for "Misery Stink" are pretty solid for a cable network so it has an audience. Also losing to Spongebob was going to happen no matter how good this show is, Spongebob is a powerhouse cartoon it stomps down all competition and will for years to come.
'Believe it!', do you have an e-mail!? Could you give it to me please!? I have some interest in your version of the show.
@strangly
Misery Stink's ratings are an unknown at this point. Estimations suggest it is good enough to bring in advertisers, but it still lags behind shows like Adventure Time, which is one of the stupidest shows out there.
My point is that the content of the series seems aimed at teens and young adults because of A. Teenage BS, and B. Pop culture references that only adults know about. Well, most teens think cartoons are for little kids, and they see themselves as too mature for it. So the teen drama storylines are worthless. Most adults don't care about that, or like me hate having to sit through it, and most kids think it's stupid so they don't like it either.
Maybe if they gave Scooby more time in the show and actually made him and Shaggy do funny things, then it would be able to compete against Spongebob, which is basically just "butt & booger humor".
@Ilma
Yes I do have an email, but what do you want that for? Can't you just ask me?
I think the reason they aim it towards teens is probably because Scooby Doo's been losing his audience since 1985. No offense to anyone but the comedy of Scooby Doo hit it's peak a while ago and so obviously the writers are taking it in another direction to gain more interest. I love Scooby Doo but it really hasn't been spectacular since the 70's. I really like this new incarnation I find it entertaining and true to the spirit of the original. I'm not a fan of the romance aspect but it's better than the tired old go nowhere love interest that would appear and disappear through the series. And yes Scooby has done less lately but you have to remember he's only 1 of 5 main characters. Sure his names in the title but that doesn't make him the only main character.
Just to talk about your ideas pal, no big deal. You said 'If I were in charge of writing for this show, Scooby-Doo would make killer ratings and would crush every other TV show out there!'...
I just wanna listen your ideas and talk about it, as a fan. That's all. oO
@strangely: I think the reason they aim it towards teens is because they're idiots. When I was a teen most teens I knew rejected cartoons as something childish and immature (unlike their teen soap-operas of course). Of course I knew better. Most of my friends have been adults ever since I was a kid. I knew that adults watched cartoons as well. So I was actually ahead of the curve. Point is though, most teens have a misguided sense of being "grown up" and think themselves to be grown up even though they have no understanding of what it means to be an adult, which is actually pretty sucky. I knew this too, which is why I stayed a kid for as long as I could. That said, this show doesn't catch the interest of most teens, and it's immature in a bad way for adults. I would rather see the old-school Scooby-Doo comedy than what they have in Misery Stink.
Scooby Doo's been losing its audience since 1985 because that's when the new episodes ended. It was popular until the point when ABC replaced 13GSD with re-runs of old episodes of SDWAY and such repackaged as "Scary Scooby Funnies".
The comedy of Scooby Doo hit it’s peak a while ago? That's your opinion, but even if that were the case, there is such a thing as writing NEW jokes and gags. That doesn't mean you have to change the entire format, and it doesn't mean you have to inject sex and vulgarities into it either. Case in point, What's New Scooby-Doo. Same formula, new jokes, new gags. Ran for 3 seasons.
And this is my problem with your suggestion, if they want to take this in a NEW direction to gain interest, then why not just make a new show with new characters and a new plot?
See the real reason is because these so-called "writers" can't come up with their own concepts and storylines. That's why they steal various plot elements from other shows and movies. That's why they write in pop culture references instead of actual jokes and gags. In fact, the only jokes and gags they have in the show are ABOUT the show itself! They take Fred's style of catching the villains, and they make a big joke out of it, saying he has some kind of fetish with it or something.
An interview that I linked to in the episode 15 thread showed one of the "writers" saying they only did Shelma because they wanted to show people that this version would be different. He admits not knowing if there was precedent for Shelma in the original series, and he said their only source for it came from fanfiction! So they did Shelma without any official basis and NO CLUE as to how they could portray it in a way that works. Thus, it didn't work and it doesn't work, and now the Shelma fans are irate.
These people have no clue as how to write for SD. It's just a bad parody of SD. We'd be in better shape with a spin-off of the one Harvey Birdman episode "Shaggy Gets Busted".
I hear what you're saying. I love Scooby Doo as well, and it hasn't been spectacular since the 80's (in my opinion, 70's in yours) but look what you just said. First, you're pointing to the old-school version. Second, SDMI isn't good either. And the reason it and the other recent versions haven't been as good as the originals is because WB is in charge of it now.
WB is going outside the formula, and WB is failing to freshen the series up with better storylines that are within the SD formula.
True to the spirit of the original? How so? Give me an example of anything you can think of please.
I’m not a fan of the romance aspect either. But how is THIS better than Hanna-Barbera's take on this? H-B showed Fred and Daphne as a couple. Then they broke up. Then all throughout there were hints to Shaggy and Daphne being good together, then when the gang split up and Daphne joined back up with Shaggy, they were a couple and from that point there were subtle hints as to their full relationship. In fact, H-B presented them as like a "lover" type couple but they did it in a way that was subtle and classy.
So I absolutely disagree with that aspect of your argument. The relationships did go somewhere, they just never made it an obvious part of the storyline. It was a background thing that adults picked up on and kids overlooked. Just as it should be.
No no no. Scooby is not 1 of 5 main characters. He is 1 of 2 main characters. Fred, Velma, and Daphne are supporting characters, but in this it seems Scooby is just a background character.
@Ilma
Well if you are interested in hearing my ideas, then that's cool. I will gladly discuss various issue with you. However, I can't give out my email here or to anyone. You see, if one of my arch enemies were to learn of it then my inbox would become a wasteland of spam for million-dollar money transfers from Zimbabwe, "great deals" on peene pills, and hyperlinks to phishing software that will try to hack my firewall.
So I suggest an alternative. Go to fanfiction(dot)net and create an account there. It's free and easy. I am on there as Believe-it1051. I have posted a link to my username in this post's "website" bar. So use that to get to my FF page.
Also, I am working on several fanfictions at the moment and will be posting them on FF. If you get an account there we can talk back and forth in private messages. There are also a few Scooby-Doo forums there. In one of these you'll even find a Shaphne proof page with a mountain of evidence that Shaphne is tops. It was gathered by me and many other Shaphne fans. An interesting read for sure. Believe it!
Well, I actually don't have time for aaaall that, so, if that's the problem, I can give you mine and you talk to me, ok!?
ildafufu@gmail.com
See ya soon!
@SpiderScooby, I'm a bit tired of them to.
@Believe it, I understand if someone doesn't like something, but you must understand somebody else does.
How would you like it if someone went to one of your favorite sites and just started bashing what you love and the "idiots" who work on it?
You don't like the writing of SD:MI? Then PLEASE stop watching it!
So your saying childhood friends can't live together without "gettin' it on"? that is just absurd.
Now if you want to have a discussion, go on, just don't write long diatribes about how your right and your vision is great and everybody else's isn't.
Agreed.
First off Believe it! you posted first so you did start it.
Second living in the same house doesn't mean they were dating. And all the evidence you submitted for the Shaggy/Daphne relationship is just absurd. I could easily point out that Shaggy and Velma went to several dances together but that's not proof they took a roll in the hay. Sleeping right next to each other in sleeping bags isn't proof either. Ever watch pokemon? Those three kids travel together sleeping in sleeping bags right next to each other and they're not dating.
Now I'm okay with constructive criticism, but everything you say about this isn't constructive at all, its one long gripe about how "Misery Stink" is killing Scooby Doo and honestly you couldn't be more wrong. It seems to me the reason you hate this show so much is because it's different from what you had in your childhood.
The show has changed to adapt to a new audience. What's New was a great call back to the good old days of Scooby Doo but really it wasn't anywhere near as popular, it's audience was never as versatile. Scooby was the king of saturday morning cartoons, but our time he's nowhere near as popular as he used to be. The writers are trying to expand the Scooby universe, reinventing it for the modern viewer and personally I think they've done a bang up job. Sure Scooby is less seen, but as I said above he's only 1 of 5 main characters. And yes this show has less gags, but it's not because of lazy writers its because the jokes have to match the darker tone.
If you don't like the show stop watching it. Just stop. If doing something causes you pain and discomfort then don't do it.
@SpiderScooby I am not ranting. If I am then so are you and strangely because I'm speaking no differently than you two are. We actually I am speaking differently, since I'm not accusing you guys of anything.
"It seems to me you’re just looking excuses to put down current Scooby."
So the fact that I liked episode 16 and praised it, that doesn't count? Or did you just neglect to read that?
Scooby-Doom says: "I understand if someone doesn’t like something, but you must understand somebody else does."
Yeah? Fine. I'm not saying you can't.
"How would you like it if someone went to one of your favorite sites and just started bashing what you love and the “idiots” who work on it?"
I wouldn't care because everyone has their own opinion. If anything I would reply in a respectful way and try to refute the person with facts.
"You don’t like the writing of SD:MI? Then PLEASE stop watching it!"
Maybe I will if it gets worse than it already is. But until then I'm free to watch what I please.
"So your saying childhood friends can’t live together without “gettin’ it on”? that is just absurd."
Take down the strawman. I said nothing of the kind. Friends can share a house under certain circumstances, such as needing to split costs on a place to live. However Shaggy and Daphne's situation is very different. First, they live in a large house, which is not cost effective except for those who can afford it. So the "share rent" idea can't apply to them. Plus, Shaggy owned his own house in Reluctant Werewolf so he had no need to share the cost of a house. Besides this Shaggy and Daphne were both rich and famous. Second, Shaggy and Daphne were living as a family. The first episode has them going on vacation together. "Scooby in Kwackyland" also has Shaggy and Daphne invite Vincent VanGhoul into their home as a guest while his castle is under maintenance. They also work to meet VanGhoul's needs as good hosts would. They also own their own plane and they both know how to fly it. Again this shows duel ownership and partnership as both do everything together. Same thing in "That's Monstertainment" when Daphne goes downstairs to see why they're still awake at that time of the night. Scrappy even asks her if they can stay up to watch it, thus showing that Daphne is a mother figure in the household. So this wasn't a matter of a couple of friends crashing in a house together, and each one sees other people if they want or each one just looks out for themselves.
"Now if you want to have a discussion, go on, just don’t write long diatribes about how your right and your vision is great and everybody else’s isn’t."
Never said everyone else's isn't. I made my comments specific to the SDMI "writers". Are you telling me that you agree with every single thing they've written? If not then clearly my comment doesn't apply to you.
And don't reply to me and then tell me I can't talk.
strangely says: "First off Believe it! you posted first so you did start it."
Yeah I did post first, but I didn't start SDMI bashing. I was commenting about the "writers". Then YOU brought up SDMI, among other things, and I simply replied to you.
"Second living in the same house doesn’t mean they were dating."
Yeah, like I said in a previous post, living in the same house proves they were lovers.
"And all the evidence you submitted for the Shaggy/Daphne relationship is just absurd."
Oh my! How dare you rant and rave against something others like? You always seem to come here just to bash Shaphne. You don't like it? Fine, but don't bash people who do. /sarcasm
But seriously, why do you get to call a part of the official series absurd but I can't voice my disapproval of WB's non-canon rehash?
"I could easily point out that Shaggy and Velma went to several dances together but that’s not proof they took a roll in the hay."
Right, because I could refute you with facts of my own, such as the fact that Shaggy turned Velma down for a dance in "Scooby's Night With a Frozen Fright" or how he stopped dancing with Velma and started dancing with Scooby in "Jeepers It's the Creeper". :p
Also this is a strawman. I didn't say Shaggy and Daphne slow danced in NSSDS thus they must have done the horizontal mambo in 13GSD, I said they lived together and slept in the same bed together thus they must have done the horizontal mambo in 13GSD. Big difference.
"Sleeping right next to each other in sleeping bags isn’t proof either."
It's proof that they were close as boyfriend and girlfriend.
"Ever watch pokemon? Those three kids travel together sleeping in sleeping bags right next to each other and they’re not dating."
Irrelevant. That's a different series entirely with different writers, thus it is not a valid source for that which is presented in Scooby-Doo. Also, the Pokemon kids are KIDS not adults as Shaggy and Daphne are.
The reason I hate SDMI so much is because it's not Scooby-Doo. It breaks the formula, it breaks the continuity, and it breaks the line of decency for a kid's show.
"The show has changed to adapt to a new audience."
There was nothing wrong with the original show. In fact the OLD cartoons are STILL popular. The show didn't need to change, and my feeling is that if they wanted to do something new then they should have made a brand new show with new characters and a new plot and backstory.
"What’s New was a great call back to the good old days of Scooby Doo but really it wasn’t anywhere near as popular, it’s audience was never as versatile."
Hey stop bashing shows you don't like. /sarcasm
But seriously, you are stating a legitimate grievance. In that case I say take WNSD and find ways to improve upon that. Write darker mysteries. Write more involved and complex storylines. Don't change the entire basis of the franchise and inject things that don't belong.
"Scooby was the king of saturday morning cartoons, but our time he’s nowhere near as popular as he used to be."
So what? Who says he has to be as popular? And even if he should be, you think SDMI is going to accomplish this? SDMI, whether you like it or hate it, you've got to admit that it is a polarizing show. It has angered a large portion of the fan base, and it has delighted a significant portion. That means it can't possibly make Scooby as popular as he was because a large part of the fan base hates it. So really SDMI is like Get a Clue in this respect.
"The writers are trying to expand the Scooby universe, reinventing it for the modern viewer and personally I think they’ve done a bang up job."
That's fine. I obviously disagree with you, and I don't think Scooby-Doo needs to be reinvented. All it needs are fresh new mysteries and more complex storylines, maybe some good jokes and some action. You don't have to change the whole formula and essence of the franchise though.
"Sure Scooby is less seen, but as I said above he’s only 1 of 5 main characters. And yes this show has less gags, but it’s not because of lazy writers its because the jokes have to match the darker tone."
Dark does not equal vulgar. The jokes in this are something you might see on Comedy Central with their toilet humor and F-bombs. And like I said, Scooby doesn't even seem like a main character in this show.
And again episode 16 had him in a major role, which I liked.
"If you don’t like the show stop watching it."
Well if you don't like my posts then stop reading them. What do you think of that?
"Yeah I did post first, but I didn’t start SDMI bashing. I was commenting about the “writers”. Then YOU brought up SDMI, among other things, and I simply replied to you."
You did start the bashing, your entire comment was one long complaint about the writers and SDMI.
"It’s proof that they were close as boyfriend and girlfriend."
But that's not proof, that's a view or interpretation. At no point were they stated as being involved. Sure at times it was implied but without any canon confirmation it's still fanfiction. You can think it implies it all you want but it's not fact.
"The reason I hate SDMI so much is because it’s not Scooby-Doo. It breaks the formula, it breaks the continuity, and it breaks the line of decency for a kid’s show."
No it doesn't! SDMI is very similar to the first season of Scooby Doo both in the darker design and creepier monsters. And how does it break continuity? It still follows the continuity of the first series and could even fall in with the second series. I find this laughable that you think this is the incarnation that breaks the continuity. The Scrappy episodes broke the no real monster rule, A pup changed almost every characters personality not to mention the silly monsters, What's new changed their personalities again in a similar fashion and changed the visual design changing clothing and completely getting rid of the dark artwork, and that abomination Get a clue changed the entire plot. I can't believe that SDMI is the one that broke the mold when several shows before it did the same (This is no way a bash towards those shows, I'm just saying so many broke the mold before why is this the one that breaks the camels back?)
"But seriously, you are stating a legitimate grievance. In that case I say take WNSD and find ways to improve upon that. Write darker mysteries. Write more involved and complex storylines. Don’t change the entire basis of the franchise and inject things that don’t belong."
WNSD and dark don't mix; the visuals are bright and cheery the writing sickly sweet, it's hard to insert a dark tone into something that is written as visually bright. WNSD was a more kid friendly version WAY as heart and many fans tend to dislike it (I like this version, but less so than others) And SDMI did not change the entire basis of the franchise. They are still sleuths, they still solve supernatural mysteries, Shaggy and Scooby still eat a lot, the gangs traps still fail mostly, and the villain is still always obvious. What's really changed? Oh that's right they added a season long story and they took out the musical chase scenes (which aren't even in the original first season of WAY anyhow). And sure the romance is annoying but this has been done so many times (Shaggy dated an alien and Mary Jane, Velma love interest in WNSD was some nerd and in the movie it was a similar nerd, and Fred and Daphne were paired in the movie as well. When it comes down to it the only new relationship introduced in this series was Shaggy/Velma and that was no real surprise).
"Dark does not equal vulgar. The jokes in this are something you might see on Comedy Central with their toilet humor and F-bombs. And like I said, Scooby doesn’t even seem like a main character in this show."
Vulgar? Really? In what way? There's no swearing, no sex, no racism, all their jokes are topical and I personally find them enjoyable. It in no way compares to the junk on Comedy Central so your either very uptight or just an over-exaggerator. And Scooby doesn't seem like a main character because he is only 1 of 5 main characters (I don't know how many times I have to repeat this). In the original show you could get away with spending 80% of the episode on Scooby but now with the increased fanbase of the other 4 characters viewers wanna see more of their favorites. And while his role is slightly smaller he's still actively involved, he's saved the gang several times this season, he's found clues, been chased by monsters, he's still an active part of the group.
Sigh, you know what, Believe It. We're tired of your long tirades. This is your last warning. I tried to be nice, but my patience is already wearing thin. You better believe it!
@Believe it!
'Also, the Pokemon kids are KIDS not adults as Shaggy and Daphne are.'
17 years old = child, for me. So, I think you're wrong. Shaggy and Daphne were never adults, except maybe for 'Zombie Island'. All this Shaggy + Daphne's story are patetic. You looks reeeally stupid talking about it. Scooby was never a 'moralist' show, if they want to make them a couple, they would say that, for real.
'and it breaks the line of decency for a kid’s show'
Oh, gimme a break with the fake moralism. There's nothing indecent in the show. There's a lot of scenes where the adult fans will say "Fuck yeah, Daphne!", but the kids will never even see that. Just like a lot of Disney movies. There are the fids jokes, and the adults jokes, that kids don't understand. First of all, Scooby was never a ONLY for kids show. Actually, there's a lot of researchs that proves that the biggest actual fans of Scooby are the grown ups. Scooby is not the only one that people wants to see. If he was, everyone's favorite show would be the one's with Shaggy and Scooby all by theirselves. And it's not.
'The Scrappy episodes broke the no real monster rule, A pup changed almost every characters personality not to mention the silly monsters, What’s new changed their personalities again in a similar fashion and changed the visual design changing clothing and completely getting rid of the dark artwork, and that abomination Get a clue changed the entire plot. I can’t believe that SDMI is the one that broke the mold when several shows before it did the same'
You said everything!
'Sigh, you know what, Believe It. We’re tired of your long tirades. This is your last warning.'
I don't think this is a nice thing to do. He has the right to say his opinions, we can just don't read it. But, what about all the talking!? Freedom of expression guys!
SpiderScooby says: "Sigh, you know what, Believe It. We’re tired of your long tirades."
Excuse me but you don't speak for everyone else. Clearly "we" are not tired of my contributions to the mutual discussion because two others choose to continue said discussion with me.
"This is your last warning. I tried to be nice, but my patience is already wearing thin. You better believe it!"
No you haven't. You've done nothing but single me out since I began replying on the SDMI episodes. You did it just now. You consider my posts tirades yet you sanction strangely's and Ilma's posts as legitimate opinions. There's nothing nice about your prejudice against me.
Ilma says: "17 years old = child, for me."
For me as well. However in NSSDS (perhaps even sooner) and onward Shaggy and Daphne were at least 18 and older.
"So, I think you’re wrong. Shaggy and Daphne were never adults, except maybe for ‘Zombie Island’."
Well I must inform you that Shaggy and Daphne were indeed adults in NSSDS for certain. In the episode "Crazy Carnival Caper" Shaggy and Daphne visit their old high school, Central High. They even reminisce about their high school days and help their old principal who also remembers them both, especially the prankster Shaggy.
"All this Shaggy + Daphne’s story are patetic. You looks reeeally stupid talking about it."
It takes two to tango.
"Scooby was never a ‘moralist’ show, if they want to make them a couple, they would say that, for real."
I believe SD was a moral show, but assuming it was not, it was definitely a kids' show and it did still have to meet broadcasting standards. Showing an intimate relationship between a male and a female in a cartoon was against those standards. Thus H-B presented the Shaggy+Daphne relationship in a way that was classy and subtle enough to go over the heads of kids but clear enough for (most) older fans to recognize.
"Oh, gimme a break with the fake moralism. There’s nothing indecent in the show."
SDMI shows Daphne in numerous inappropriate wardrobes. The bikini, the Hex Girls costume, the night gown. This is a very real concern among most parents, and they have made themselves vocal about this in various reviews all over the Internet.
"There’s a lot of scenes where the adult fans will say “Fuck yeah, Daphne!”, but the kids will never even see that."
I think it's a bit hard to miss Daphne in nightgown when the camera view is directly on her cleavage.
"Just like a lot of Disney movies. There are the fids jokes, and the adults jokes, that kids don’t understand."
Disney places subliminal messages in their movies all the time, so they are the masters of subtlety. SDMI is overt in their presentation of sexually charged situations.
"First of all, Scooby was never a ONLY for kids show. Actually, there’s a lot of researchs that proves that the biggest actual fans of Scooby are the grown ups."
That in no way indicates that the reason why adults like it is because of adult situations and mature humor. In fact the reason we adults like the old-school Scooby-Doo is because it is clean, kid friendly, and humorous for all audiences.
"Scooby is not the only one that people wants to see. If he was, everyone’s favorite show would be the one’s with Shaggy and Scooby all by theirselves."
There are other factors to consider with those episodes which changed far more than just the cast of characters. However, I must point out that when Fred and Velma were removed ratings stayed the same. Thus showing they were not critical to the franchise.
"I don’t think this is a nice thing to do. He has the right to say his opinions, we can just don’t read it."
Thank you for standing up for me. I appreciate you and your opinion.
"But, what about all the talking!? Freedom of expression guys!"
Believe it!
'SDMI shows Daphne in numerous inappropriate wardrobes.'
Oh dude, FUCK you. You're what? An old lady!? You sound like a grandma. Bikini is inappropriate? EVERYBODY uses bikinis, even babys. You're pathetic. Now I understand Spider Scooby.
'Disney places subliminal messages in their movies all the time, so they are the masters of subtlety.'
That's explains everything. You're one of those STUPID persons that sees 'sex' in The Lion King, 'dicks' in Little Mermaid and other craps. Like those fucking Evangelical Churchs. I used to stand up for you, but now: I'm done.
"Oh dude, FUCK you. You’re what? An old lady!?"
No, I'm an old-school Scooby-Doo fan. I don't care about that type of content in cartoons, just so long as it is not a kid's cartoon.
"You sound like a grandma."
What's wrong with that?
"Bikini is inappropriate?"
Of that type and style, yes. Daphne's bikini in the H-B era was not revealing.
"EVERYBODY uses bikinis, even babys."
Not of that type.
"You’re pathetic. Now I understand Spider Scooby.
That’s explains everything. You’re one of those STUPID persons that sees ‘sex’ in The Lion King, ‘dicks’ in Little Mermaid and other craps."
No, but it is a well known fact that Disney puts subliminal messages in their movies, many of which are sexual. The Rescuers is the strongest example of this where they actually put a real picture of a woman showing her breasts in the background of an action scene.
"Like those fucking Evangelical Churchs. I used to stand up for you, but now: I’m done."
So much for my right to express my opinion.
"No, but it is a well known fact that Disney puts subliminal messages in their movies, many of which are sexual. The Rescuers is the strongest example of this where they actually put a real picture of a woman showing her breasts in the background of an action scene."
And it's a well known fact that when people complained Disney changed that. Those hired animators put in those things on their own accord.
"SDMI shows Daphne in numerous inappropriate wardrobes. The bikini, the Hex Girls costume, the night gown. This is a very real concern among most parents, and they have made themselves vocal about this in various reviews all over the Internet."
Ironically in an earlier post you claimed this show was directed at teens so you basically disproved your own argument. If a parent doesn't like it then they shouldn't allow the child to view it, its that simple, a studio isn't going to change their content just because a parent is too lazy to turn the television off.
"No you haven’t. You’ve done nothing but single me out since I began replying on the SDMI episodes. You did it just now. You consider my posts tirades yet you sanction strangely’s and Ilma’s posts as legitimate opinions. There’s nothing nice about your prejudice against me."
There's a big difference Ilma and I are being reasonable and trying to be understanding. You on the other hand get offended every time someone has an opinion. On several articles you've done this and you constantly restate your position and post long proof that's nothing more than opinions (The ratings have done okay and it was popular enough to be nominated for an award so that shows that this show is doing good enough). And then there's the classic comment you gave about how if you had written it the ratings would have been through the roof and it would crush all other TV shows, you are so full of yourself its obnoxious and pretentious and over all just proves how inconsiderate and full of it you are.
If you don't like it, if it offends you, if it causes emotional pain, or anything that makes you unhappy THEN DON'T WATCH IT! It's that simple, turn the television off and go write your imaginary screenplay for the perfect Scooby Doo.
strangely says: "And it’s a well known fact that when people complained Disney changed that. Those hired animators put in those things on their own accord."
I don't contest that they changed it when complaints were filed. I'm just saying Disney did put those things in their movies.
"Ironically in an earlier post you claimed this show was directed at teens so you basically disproved your own argument."
How so? I don't think adults want to see cartoon females in nightgowns. Teens might, and I'm sure there are some "adults" who do, but mostly it is teenagers who respond to sexualized images.
Also, I never said teens were the only target audience. Obviously they are trying to appeal to adults as well, hence all the obscure pop culture references.
"If a parent doesn’t like it then they shouldn’t allow the child to view it, its that simple"
I disagree. Most parents remember Scooby-Doo from the old days or even as recently as What's New Scooby-Doo. They have come to expect that a Scooby-Doo cartoon will be clean and appropriate for children. The low TV rating of Y7 doesn't help things either.
"a studio isn’t going to change their content just because a parent is too lazy to turn the television off."
Why not? It isn't like such a change would carry a significant cost. Animes are censored with additional animation layers all the time in order to meet American broadcast standards. WB would have no problem doing this, especially if it satisfied disgruntled parents enough to allow their children to watch the show again.
"There’s a big difference Ilma and I are being reasonable and trying to be understanding. You on the other hand get offended every time someone has an opinion."
Please cite one example of this. As I recall, I told Ilma that I appreciate his/her opinion and support of me posting mine. Also when Ilma called me "stupid", an "old lady", and dropped an F-bomb or two on me I ignored it.
"On several articles you’ve done this and you constantly restate your position and post long proof that’s nothing more than opinions (The ratings have done okay and it was popular enough to be nominated for an award so that shows that this show is doing good enough)."
Yes and I have said that the show is doing well enough to draw in advertisers, and enough for CN to order a second season. However I think as we acknowledge these facts that we ought to have a sense of proportion. I compared SDMI's ratings to Adventure Time, in which case Adventure Time beats it. Now take a look at what Adventure Time is about and you will get a good idea of SDMI's level of artistic value in the grand scheme of things.
"And then there’s the classic comment you gave about how if you had written it the ratings would have been through the roof and it would crush all other TV shows, you are so full of yourself its obnoxious and pretentious and over all just proves how inconsiderate and full of it you are."
Inconsiderate of whom? The "writers" of SDMI? I have not bashed any person on this website. Which is a lot more than I can say for a few other people on here.
And do you mean to tell me there is nothing YOU would change about this show to make it better? You said yourself that you don't care for the "romance" aspect of this show. So wouldn't you change that if you could? Do you not believe doing so would better the show? Also, if there are those who do like that aspect then does that automatically mean that your opinion should be considered offensive and inconsiderate to them?
I urge you to please take a step back and reevaluate your assertions against me. I have done nothing offensive or wrong here. SpiderScooby and others freely vent their frustration with Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue. I don't see why I cannot voice my differences with SDMI.
"If you don’t like it, if it offends you, if it causes emotional pain, or anything that makes you unhappy THEN DON’T WATCH IT! It’s that simple, turn the television off and go write your imaginary screenplay for the perfect Scooby Doo."
No. I will watch it on Youtube so that CN doesn't get ratings data for it, and I will voice my concerns in hopes that others think more deeply about the show. Perhaps then we can create a collective group that WB will not ignore next time they decide to create an addition to their non-canon version of the Scooby-Doo series.
P.S. AND I will still write my own storylines and post them online regardless. Believe it!
"I don’t think this is a nice thing to do. He has the right to say his opinions, we can just don’t read it. But, what about all the talking!? Freedom of expression guys!"
@Ilma Hey, I'm all for him posting his opinion, as I said before. But this guy has nothing but negativity towards SDMI on almost every post I make. And then he trys to pass off his opinion/views as fact. Of course some of us are annoyed.
Believe It says "Excuse me but you don’t speak for everyone else. Clearly “we” are not tired of my contributions to the mutual discussion because two others choose to continue said discussion with me."
Yeah, strangley agrees with me, and you did a pretty nice job of pissing off Ilma.
"No you haven’t. You’ve done nothing but single me out since I began replying on the SDMI episodes. You did it just now"
And you know why that is? You've done nothing but throw trash at SDMI{except for a few instances}, then you post these long drawn out responses to anyone who disagrees with you, while trying to pass off your opinion/views as fact.
"You consider my posts tirades yet you sanction strangely’s and Ilma’s posts as legitimate opinions. "
Yeah, because they're actually being reasonable. You just get offended when someone says they actually like SDMI.
"There’s nothing nice about your prejudice against me."
Believe it or not, I've got no prejudice towards you. I've tried to keep a open mind up till this point. And it's getting harder to do that.
Some of us don't like Get A Clue, yes, I even make fun of it from time to time, yes. But I don't complain about it how ruined Scooby Doo every chance I get. I thought Stargate: Infinity was a insult to the Stargate franchise, but I didn't force myself to sit through it.
'And it’s a well known fact that when people complained Disney changed that. Those hired animators put in those things on their own accord.'
Those subliminal messages shit is from those stupid Evangelical Churchs. There's no fucking subliminar messages in Disney, go get a life, asshole!
The soooo polemic "Sex" in Lion King was actually, "SFx" as Special Effects. You, "Believe it!", sounds like a fucking old grandma, the tipe of people that makes the world go round in inertia! Get a life motherfucker!
SpiderScooby says: "Hey, I’m all for him posting his opinion, as I said before. But this guy has nothing but negativity towards SDMI on almost every post I make. And then he trys to pass off his opinion/views as fact. Of course some of us are annoyed."
When there is a good SDMI episode I pay it proper tribute. Like I said in the episode 16 thread, I liked that episode.
I'm not trying to pass my opinion off as fact and more than anyone else is. We all post in the same manner. We state what we think. That isn't like saying "I'm right and you're wrong".
"Yeah, strangley agrees with me, and you did a pretty nice job of pissing off Ilma."
So it's my fault that he/she is cussing up a storm? Lovely. -_-
"And you know why that is? You’ve done nothing but throw trash at SDMI{except for a few instances},"
Gee thanks for giving me that little bit of credit for those few instances.
"then you post these long drawn out responses to anyone who disagrees with you,"
Yeah, it's called a discussion.
"while trying to pass off your opinion/views as fact."
That's your opinion. Or are you trying to pass that off as fact?
I have done nothing of the kind.
"Yeah, because they’re actually being reasonable."
Name-calling and using the F word is reasonable? Ilma that is. Strangely has been reasonable, but so have I.
"You just get offended when someone says they actually like SDMI."
On the contrary. I don't even get offended when someone calls me names or uses the F word against me.
"Believe it or not, I’ve got no prejudice towards you. I’ve tried to keep a open mind up till this point. And it’s getting harder to do that."
And why is that? Because I don't like a show that you like?
"Some of us don’t like Get A Clue, yes, I even make fun of it from time to time, yes. But I don’t complain about it how ruined Scooby Doo every chance I get."
I'm not saying SDMI has ruined Scooby-Doo. I'm just pointing out how it's not Scooby-Doo. In fact, I consider this to be a non-canon re-envisioning of SD. And by non-canon I mean it isn't even valid in the WB version of the series, which is itself non-canon compared to the official H-B version.
"I thought Stargate: Infinity was a insult to the Stargate franchise, but I didn’t force myself to sit through it."
And if SDMI gets any worse I'll wash my hands of it. For now I think some critique is in order.
Ilma says: "Those subliminal messages shit is from those stupid Evangelical Churchs. There’s no fucking subliminar messages in Disney, go get a life, asshole!"
Hey! Don't call strangely derogatory names! I don't care if someone tries to shout insults at me, I just ignore it, but I don't like it when I see someone else getting attacked.
"The soooo polemic “Sex” in Lion King was actually, “SFx” as Special Effects. You, “Believe it!”, sounds like a fucking old grandma, the tipe of people that makes the world go round in inertia! Get a life motherfucker!"
Yes SpiderScooby, you're certainly right about Ilma being the reasonable "tipe". -_-
"I have done nothing of the kind."
Umm, actually...
“And no I was serious business when I said my opinion is always right and that’s a scientific fact. I can prove it too. Believe it!” https://scoobyfan.net/?p=1035&cpage=1#comment-162956
"I’m not saying SDMI has ruined Scooby-Doo."
Actually, someone correct me if I'm wrong, I believe you did say that at one point.
"Yeah, it’s called a discussion."
I think we're way past the point of discussion now.
"I’m just pointing out how it’s not Scooby-Doo. In fact, I consider this to be a non-canon re-envisioning of SD. And by non-canon I mean it isn’t even valid in the WB version of the series, which is itself non-canon compared to the official H-B version."
Well, good for you. But that's your opinion. You're welcome to your opinion. But it is not fact.
"And why is that? Because I don’t like a show that you like?"
I told you before, I have no problem with you posting your opinion. It's the way you've gone about it that is my problem.
"And if SDMI gets any worse I’ll wash my hands of it. For now I think some critique is in order."
Some critique? On almost every single post??? Posting your opinion is fine, but spewing hate towards it every chance you get is a bit much.
"Yes SpiderScooby, you’re certainly right about Ilma being the reasonable “tipe”. "
While I don't agree with Ilma's choice of words, why are you so surprised?
"Those subliminal messages s**t is from those stupid Evangelical Churchs. There’s no f**king subliminar messages in Disney, go get a life, a*shole!
The soooo polemic “Sex” in Lion King was actually, “SFx” as Special Effects. You, “Believe it!”, sounds like a f**king old grandma, the tipe of people that makes the world go round in inertia! Get a life motherf**ker!"
llma I actually wrote that and I wasn't referencing that particle thing. I too believe it was sfx rather than sex. I was referencing the movie 'The Rescuers' which in a particular scene a disgruntled employee placed an image of a nude women in the background of one particular frame, and at request Disney removed it because it was never supposed to be there. I was just trying to explain to Believe it! that that wasn't intentional by the company and a employee had done it by his own will.
And believe it! your unbelievably hypocritical you talk about how shaphne are getting it on just because they live in the same house and yet you hate how vulgar SDMI is.
"I’m not saying SDMI has ruined Scooby-Doo."
It seems nearly impossible that your implying anything else.
@strangely
I know, I know...
It was not for you, all the angry. Was for Believe it!, he start this "Disney" stuff. And about this image of the naked woman, that one is true, but is not like an evil plan of subliminar or whatever like this stupid Believe it said, it was just a joke from someone, I work with movies, and sometimes we just do that to, like "Let's put something in the back to see if someone else will note this" you know.
Anyway, I don't care about this Believe it anymore, what about we just ignore his messages!? He can write his bibles here, and we can just ignore, just talking to each other about the show.
It's ridiculous, an website about Scooby, and look what you're talking about. Just because of someone that want his 15 minutos of fame.
*we're talking
*wants - 15 minuts
what is even going on here...
@freedom,
To break it down somebody is trying to pass their opinion off as "scientific fact" and many, including me, are very tried of it.
Well Freedom, here I was posting my own 2¢ in a polite and respectful manner when all of a sudden I was bombarded with various questions and challenges from two other people. Apparently the Webmaster doesn't like it when I answer said questions and considers it to be a tirade.
SpiderScooby says: "Umm, actually…"
Okay, the term "serious business" is a pretty good indicator of when someone is joking around, or pretending something is extremely serious when it's not really that important. When I said my opinion is always right and is "scientific fact" I ended with saying that I could prove it. The logical response is "Really? How?". At which point I would have posted an amusing paradox to tickle everyone's funny bones. But, you closed the thread before I could deliver the punchline. Is that my fault? I think not.
"Actually, someone correct me if I’m wrong, I believe you did say that at one point."
No, at most I said that WB will kill the franchise with this series if things continue as they are.
"I think we’re way past the point of discussion now."
Thanks to Ilma, who just flamed strangely and I.
"Well, good for you. But that’s your opinion. You’re welcome to your opinion. But it is not fact."
Actually... in this particular instance I have derived my opinion from the facts, and the facts of the shows do indeed prove that SDMI is not canon in comparison to the "Camp Scare" version of WB's SD, nor in comparison to the "Zombie Island" version of WB's SD. Also, the facts show that the ZI and CS versions are not canon with each other nor the official Hanna-Barbera version.
That's indicated by facts from the various episodes and movies. So while my opinion is NOT fact, in this case the facts are my opinion because I agree with the facts.
No one posts their opinion and then says "this is just my opinion". Everyone posts what they think in a way that seems like a definitive statement. You've all done it. My "way" is no different from yours.
I don't post critique on almost every single post. I was merely answering questions and challenges posed to me by other people.
"While I don’t agree with Ilma’s choice of words, why are you so surprised?"
I'm not surprised. Most people who disagree with me are the unrestrained and irrational type. What I want to know is why you consider a person like that to be reasonable.
strangely says: "I was just trying to explain to Believe it! that that wasn’t intentional by the company and a employee had done it by his own will."
I'll take your word for it in that case, but there are still other numerous examples that can be used. However I think we've reached the end of the discussion on the topic of Disney. Anything else would just be pointless.
"And believe it! your unbelievably hypocritical you talk about how shaphne are getting it on just because they live in the same house and yet you hate how vulgar SDMI is."
Nothing hypocritical here. Shaggy and Daphne were never shown sleeping in the same bed. The show merely indicated that they were through subtle references, which kids and even teens would not pick up on. I never said it could not be a part of the storyline (especially by that point in the timeline when they were both adults). I only said it should not be presented in a way that was overt. SDMI presents sexually charged situations in a very obvious and inappropriate way. NSSDS through 13GSD kept the private intimacy of Shaggy and Daphne behind the scenes.
"It seems nearly impossible that your implying anything else."
But I don't think Scooby-Doo is ruined. I still like the originals just as I always have. I am merely pointing out that SDMI has the potential to ruin the whole franchise if things keep going the way they're going.
Ilma says: "Was for Believe it!, he start this “Disney” stuff."
No, YOU brought Disney into this, not me.
OK, can we just all call it a day and play nice? This whole thing is going nowhere....again. @Believe It, I mean this in the nicest way possible, you're welcome to post your opinions and views here, but please just stop with these long rants already. I just want to keep this place a positive one{surely you can understand that}, and quite frankly, some of your posts are just tiresome.
YAY EPISDOE 17 IS ON YOUTUBE :0 IT'S THE BEST ONE IN A WHILE
Yep, it's uploaded.
As usual, don't share this with anyone outside your own close circle of friends and make sure they know not to spread word of it to anyone who might report it.
Êšçâpê Frôm Mýštêrý Mâñôr (Flipped): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtfFv19Vlo
One of the best episodes yet IMO.
What do you guys think?
Well, I'm not going to discuss what Believe it! says, and so, I'm just going to say what I think about episode 17 "Escape From Mystery Manor":
I pretty much liked this episode, because it was creepy (even creepier than the "Howl of the Fright Hound"). The amount of references to SAW is just amazing and the mystery just keeps getting better and better. Now that Scooby and the gang have found out that the original Mystery Inc. also explored Darrow Manor, it's safe to say that there really is a dark mystery behind all of it.
Plus, the piece of the puzzle they found isn't the first one... if you paid attention to the end of The Shrieking Madness, you will have noticed that there is another piece of that strange puzzle.
Actually after rewatching The Shrieking Madness I think it's only a picture of the piece. Anyways this last episode really makes me think that one of the original members of Mystery Inc is Mr. E and the fact that Angel had that diary really makes me think she's actually Cassidy.
Are you sure it's only a picture? I have to rewatch it again to be absolutely sure.
Well, Angel might be Cassidy, but wouldn't she be too old then? I mean... she looks like she's in her late twenties. Still, I won't dismiss that theory... but I actually have a theory of my own regarding Mr.E's true identity:
I'm thinking that Mr. E is not one person, but a whole bunch of people, all pretending to be just one. Think about it, Mr. E alone could not have enough power or knowledge about Mystery Inc, at least of the whole gang. You all have witnessed that he knows things that only ome members of the gang knew... Plus, he would need to have access to details about their former cases, and such... What do you guys think? Is this theroy possible, or not?
Plus it would explain why Mayor Jones, Sheriff Stone and even Angel Dynamite acting weird whenever Scooby and the gang find something about the previous Mystery Incorporated.
Hay any news about scooby doo legend of the phanrosaur
it's looks there is some plot holes in this episode and the action itself is somekind of dangerous for kids to watch,just my opinion though,don't get angry or something.
I actually kinda agree with you. This was easily the darkest episode yet.
"Well, Angel might be Cassidy, but wouldn’t she be too old then? I mean… she looks like she’s in her late twenties. Still, I won’t dismiss that theory… but I actually have a theory of my own regarding Mr.E’s true identity:"
It's hard to tell what age she is being a cartoon and all, but I get the impression that angel is about the same age as the mayor. We know that at the time they were teenagers and it looks like anywhere from 20 to 30 years could have passed since then.
A few reasons for me thinking Angel is Cassidy:
1. Similar appearance.
2. Odd reaction to the newspaper clipping they found about the original Mystery Inc.
3. She claims that the diary was left on her doorstep by Mr. E and yet no E is stamped on it like all the clues he leaves.
4. Similar speech patterns, when they read from the diary the wording was pretty similar to the way Angel speaks.
"Plus it would explain why Mayor Jones, Sheriff Stone and even Angel Dynamite acting weird whenever Scooby and the gang find something about the previous Mystery Incorporated."
I get the impression that Mayor Jones was a member of the original Mystery Inc since he recognized the locket that contained the picture of Brad and Judy, only a close friend would recognize it. Also Brad physically looks a lot like a younger version of the mayor, of course there's the notable difference in hair color. Interestingly enough I noticed that Fred doesn't seem to have a mother, unless I've forgotten something.
I get the impression that Mr. E would have to have been a member of the original Mystery Inc, he knows the cases well and he seems to have some relationship with Pericles, almost as if at one time they were friends. I think that Mr. E could possibly be Ricky. Ricky's role in Mystery Inc seems to parallel Shaggy's, Ricky was involved with Cassidy and to this point it's been implied he was best friends with Pericles. Perhaps the original Mystery Inc had a falling out like that of the new Mystery Inc but the key difference is they didn't recover from it.
It's hard to say for certain at this point who's behind it, really there just aren't enough clues to be certain, but true to the Scooby formula the final clue will be the one that makes it all make sense.
Well, you do have a point when it comes to Angel's age.
And I hadn't thought about the diary that was supposedly left on Angel's doorstep... there was no "E" in it, so it's a little suspicious.
As for Mr. E it could well be Ricky... but, if Angel even suspects that it really is him, why would she be helping the gang solving the mystery?
Last but not least, so far the only monsters we have seen are guys in a monster costume, but what if in the end, the disappeatence of the original Mystery Inc. was caused by a supernatural force? DO you think it's somehow possible?
"As for Mr. E it could well be Ricky… but, if Angel even suspects that it really is him, why would she be helping the gang solving the mystery?"
Angel doesn't really seem concerned about Mr. E or his identity, rather she's been pushing them to find out what happened to the original Mystery Inc and solve their final mystery. See that's what interesting about this we don't know exactly what happened all those years ago so perhaps there's a reason why the members of Mystery Inc changed their identity's.
I forgot as well in the Aphrodite episode Angel's encounter with Pericles is odd, he talks almost as if he's met her before.
"Last but not least, so far the only monsters we have seen are guys in a monster costume, but what if in the end, the disappeatence of the original Mystery Inc. was caused by a supernatural force? DO you think it’s somehow possible?"
See I'm not so sure it's really a supernatural force, we've seen no real proof of such possibilities. I tend to think not, if Angel is really Cassidy that means that the original Mystery Inc didn't disappear supernaturally but rather by their own will. The curse of Crystal Cove hasn't really been explained so it's hard to say if there is something supernatural going on.
However on the other hand it's possible, after all people having been disappearing from the area since the 1600's. Perhaps the Darrow's disappearance is a clue to the curse, their house just suddenly fell into the Earth after finding that puzzle piece almost as if someone was purposely quieting them forever. It's hard to say at this point, we have a great number of clues to the mystery but where missing the ones that tie it together.
It's true... there really is no way we can be sure about the curse being supernatural. But you have a point, people have been disappearing since the 1600's, and then we have the Darrows... maybe they knew something they shouldn't, and possibly a mysterious force silent them.
Something tells me that the answer to these clues and to the whole mystery is inside the caves. They should go back to where they found the locket.
And about the supernatural... it wouldn't be the first time the gang faces supernatural beings.
That's true they have encountered their fair share of real monsters. I'd almost think it'll end up being aliens or some ancient civilization, the puzzle piece is sort of an odd relic, it reminds me almost of something in an Indiana Jones film.
Hey, what's with all the LONG posts? /sarcasm
Anyway, this episode was a steaming pile of dog mess.
Ripoff of Saw.
Ripoff of Indiana Jones.
Ripoff of Golum from LotR.
The episode was too violent and morbid. Not only were they told they were going to die a bunch of times, but the guy tried to kill them at every turn. Then he chose to die himself and the Misery Stink gang did nothing to save him.
Fred was irritating in this. He's an idiot every other time, but here he's "Fred, man of action". So he was that AND an idiot.
Worse yet, Daphne thinks this is awesome, which means she's an airhead. She found the entrance right after Velma said it would probably take a while and she seemed annoyed by her finding it so quickly. This I liked. It refers back to the good ol' days of Hanna-Barbera when Daphne would be the one to find most clues and usually the first. Proving Velma wrong is also a plus.
Velma was a beyotch again. She took credit for getting her, Shaggy, and Scooby out of the trap. Her explanation of the trap's solution was also annoying and a waste of time. And it was wrong besides. Paracles may have been able to get out of the trap, but he wouldn't have been able to deactivate it with his claws and wings. Also, I was secretly disappointed when those knives rained down on the spot she was sitting at about 2 seconds too late. I know I said I didn't like the violence or morbidity in this show, but I think Velma getting killed would be a fair trade off.
Scooby did something again, which is cool. However, he also made a snide remark when Shaggy stepped on the pressure pad that opened the trap door. They both stopped immediately, but Scooby still felt compelled to say "nice going genius" or something like that. Bad dog. Also Fred's comment about "that crazy adult" was yet another dig against grown ups, which sets a bad example for kids and teens.
Shaggy did almost nothing in this. He told two jokes that were pretty good. I can see the "real" Shaggy saying them. However, when Velma asked if it could be Shaggy who Danny could be talking about when he referred to the "smart one", Shaggy scratched his head, said no, and laughed at himself. BS says I! The "real" Shaggy could have gotten out of that trap in the same way that Scooby did since he is the swingingest gymnast in school! Believe it!
So I don't like it when my favorite character gets dissed. The same is true of my third favorite which is Daphne. What's her problem? She is about to die and seems to be okay with that because...? What, Fred will die with her? What kind of nonsense is that? Then she thinks that he's going to bash her in the head with a rock! Good thing he didn't, the rock would have shattered.
And since when does rock beat chain? Scissors, yes. Chain? No.
The story with Danny was lame. Staying alive for 75 years by eating rats? Even if he didn't die from disease, he'd still be about 85 years old. Way too old to be jumping around and swinging a poker around at youngsters. And why was he an old man when the first Misery Stink gang showed up? He should have been middle aged at most. And how did he know how to make all those traps if he had been down there most of his life? And where did he get the items needed for them?
Also, why didn't Velma have the chest of information as part of the clue recap at the beginning of the episode? Did they really just drop that out of the series or what?
The story was just too nonsensical. Letting him die at the end was also way outside the SD formula. Terrible episode, and most of it was stolen from other things, which once again proves the "writers" have no ideas of their own, no imagination, and no talent. WB should flush them and their scripts down the toilet.
I will say that the atmosphere was great though. Nice and spooky. WB can keep the background artists.
Now on to the other questions...
strangely says: "...and the fact that Angel had that diary really makes me think she’s actually Cassidy."
Impossible. She's too young and too dark. Cassidy would be much older by now, and anyway she was lighter skinned than Angel is.
JohnnyArrombador01 says: "I’m thinking that Mr. E is not one person, but a whole bunch of people, all pretending to be just one. Think about it, Mr. E alone could not have enough power or knowledge about Mystery Inc, at least of the whole gang. You all have witnessed that he knows things that only ome members of the gang knew…"
Well, it's a cartoon, so yes he could know all those things. I mean, he sneaked a secret message into a snack bag that was sealed at the factory then had it specially delivered to Shaggy to open and find. So if he has that power then it's also reasonable to believe he could have all that knowledge as well. Plus, why have agents to work for him if he's "everyone"?
"Plus, he would need to have access to details about their former cases, and such… What do you guys think? Is this theroy possible, or not?"
Not possible. He dug up the info after the townsfolk buried it, or he saved it before the townsfolk could destroy it.
"Plus it would explain why Mayor Jones, Sheriff Stone and even Angel Dynamite acting weird whenever Scooby and the gang find something about the previous Mystery Incorporated."
Angel works for Mr. E and this is confirmed. I think Stone is one of E's agents as well. That's why he mentions case info in the cicada episode even right after the Mayor tells them there was no mystery there to be solved. If he did work for the Mayor, he would have backed him up. Instead he went against him and blabbed about the mystery to the gang. Why? Because Mr E. wanted them involved in the mystery and Stone is on the take.
Of course, this is assuming the "writers" actually wrote something logical. More than likely this was nothing but more random and pointless storyline.
Ross says: "Hay any news about scooby doo legend of the phanrosaur"
Yes.
Freedom says: "it’s looks there is some plot holes in this episode and the action itself is somekind of dangerous for kids to watch,just my opinion though,don’t get angry or something."
Big time plot holes.
strangely says: "It’s hard to tell what age she is being a cartoon and all, but I get the impression that angel is about the same age as the mayor. We know that at the time they were teenagers and it looks like anywhere from 20 to 30 years could have passed since then."
Still too dark. And she looks late 30's to me at most. Besides, she works for Mr. E. She's not a main contender like Cassidy would have been. If she were Cassidy then she would tell them everything.
"A few reasons for me thinking Angel is Cassidy:
1. Similar appearance."
What? They're both black and female? Like I said, Angel's complexion is darker.
"2. Odd reaction to the newspaper clipping they found about the original Mystery Inc."
Because she works for Mr. E, who is digging into their past.
"3. She claims that the diary was left on her doorstep by Mr. E and yet no E is stamped on it like all the clues he leaves."
The diary was either a fake, or it was edited. The "last entry" said that they were going to check out the underground mansion. As we know, the original gang made it out of the mansion without any trouble. Therefore it wouldn't be the final entry. If anything Cassidy would write about what they found or didn't find in the mansion, or at a later date that they were going to check the caves. So it was given to the Scooby gang and said to be the last entry in order to get them to go to the underground mansion.
"4. Similar speech patterns, when they read from the diary the wording was pretty similar to the way Angel speaks."
More like the way Daphne speaks. Angel talks in a smooth and sultry way. The diary's wording was lame and geeky.
"I get the impression that Mayor Jones was a member of the original Mystery Inc since he recognized the locket that contained the picture of Brad and Judy, only a close friend would recognize it."
Anyone in town who had a hand in burying the town's dark past would recognize it. Obviously the Mayor would have had a hand in it.
"Also Brad physically looks a lot like a younger version of the mayor, of course there’s the notable difference in hair color. Interestingly enough I noticed that Fred doesn’t seem to have a mother, unless I’ve forgotten something."
Nah, he's not the right build. Besides, I think the point is that most of the original gang is missing. Fred's mother is not shown, but that doesn't mean she's not around.
"I think that Mr. E could possibly be Ricky."
Possibly.
"Ricky’s role in Mystery Inc seems to parallel Shaggy’s, Ricky was involved with Cassidy..."
Not necessarily. Assuming the diary was authentic, Cassidy only said she dreamed about Ricky, not that they were a couple. This could be like what Fred and Daphne or Shaggy and Velma have, where the girl likes the guy but the guy doesn't care about the girl in that way.
"...and to this point it’s been implied he was best friends with Pericles."
How so? Seems to me like most people only assume this because Scooby is best friends with Shaggy and Pericles is the animal teammate just as Scooby is.
"It’s hard to say for certain at this point who’s behind it, really there just aren’t enough clues to be certain, but true to the Scooby formula the final clue will be the one that makes it all make sense."
More than likely the whole thing won't make any sense. Just like all of the mysteries thus far.
JohnnyArrombador01 says: "As for Mr. E it could well be Ricky… but, if Angel even suspects that it really is him, why would she be helping the gang solving the mystery?"
Because she works for E and E wants the gang to do his leg work for him.
"Last but not least, so far the only monsters we have seen are guys in a monster costume..."
No, Danny Darrow was not in a monster costume. That was his true form.
strangely says: "I forgot as well in the Aphrodite episode Angel’s encounter with Pericles is odd, he talks almost as if he’s met her before."
I think it's because Angel works for Mr. E, and Pericles pretended to be working with Mr. E until later in that episode when he betrayed them. That might explain the "follow the parrot" in the Frighthound episode. He made E think he was on his side, then waited for the right moment to turn on him.
"See I’m not so sure it’s really a supernatural force, we’ve seen no real proof of such possibilities."
It's a cartoon, so... it's possible. Also, I know the answer to this question, but I won't spoil it.
"I tend to think not, if Angel is really Cassidy that means that the original Mystery Inc didn’t disappear supernaturally but rather by their own will."
That doesn't mean a supernatural force does not exist in the series though.
JohnnyArrombador01 says: "It’s true… there really is no way we can be sure about the curse being supernatural."
Or can we? :p
"And about the supernatural… it wouldn’t be the first time the gang faces supernatural beings."
Technically it would be, seeing as how this is a non-canon reboot that follows a revised version of SDWAY.
Shaggy and Scooby didn't face supernatural forces until the Richie-Rich and Scooby-Doo Show. Then Daphne did along with them in NSSDS.
strangely says: "That’s true they have encountered their fair share of real monsters."
Not until after SDSDS when the gang broke up, and even then Fred and Velma didn't face off against the monsters. Shaggy, Daphne, Scooby, and Scrappy did.
GET LOST BELIEVE IT AND GET A LIFE NO ONE CAN EVEN BE BOTHERED READING YOUR ESSAYS YOU CALL COMMENTS AND NOT "RANTS" yer sure
I support what Jesse says... if you don't like this version of Scooby, then go criticize it elsewhere!
I mean, I don't agree with everything there is in this new show, but I'm not going start sayi8ng that everything in it is #%#$, if you know what I mean!
Stop doing it, you're only making it worst!
"Still too dark. And she looks late 30′s to me at most. Besides, she works for Mr. E. She’s not a main contender like Cassidy would have been. If she were Cassidy then she would tell them everything."
Assuming Cassidy was 15-20 years of age when she vanished and assuming that about 20 years have passed than that would put her in somewhere around 35-40. Also you can't say her skin is too dark, we've only seen a black and white picture so that's not fair. My point is that she seems the right age and visually she has dark skin, dark hair, similar eyes and a similar nose, so I think it's within the realm of possibility.
Also there is no evidence she works for Mr. E, just because you think it doesn't make it fact, we've seen no indication of it.
"It’s a cartoon, so… it’s possible. Also, I know the answer to this question, but I won’t spoil it."
You're full of it and a troll.
Anyways back to the theories here's a visual comparison of Cassidy and Angel:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61809702@N07/5624651601/in/photostream
Notice the nose and eyes specifically, they match almost perfectly and the lips are pretty similar as well. Space between the eyebrows and eyes seem similar. The main difference, other than style is face shape, however this difference is a result in age. The adults in this animated realm seem to have more angular and defined face shapes, while the children are more rounded. Also she was a teen at the time and so she would have matured since then so a difference in shape is possible. I'm about 85% sure their one in the same, although there similar appearance could just be a red herring. Being one in the same would explain Angel's odd reaction to the newspaper clipping and her interaction with Pericles.
And here's a visual comaparison of Brad and Mayor Jones:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61809702@N07/5625241228/in/photostream
Again the eyes and nose are perhaps the most comparable features. Eyebrows as well have the same shape. Hair line is pretty similar and both have a dark hair color. The way their features are spaced is pretty similar as well. However there are two notable differences. First of all Brad has Freckles and the mayor does not. And second the face shape is different. I'm about 70% sure their the same, I think there's enough similarities to be credible, but at the same time it could just be a coincidence. However if the Mayor is Brad that would explain his reaction to seeing the locket they found (Brad and Judy were in love and the Mayor did recognize the locket).
yer plus those two are so sneeky. and when prof pericles was there, he was all hello angel
CREEPY! but so cool i cant wait for that to develop
Indeed, it has to be them. The similarities are just too big to not notice them. Still, if they went underground, who are Judith and Ricky nowadays? Ricky could Mr. E, but we still have to figure that out, right.
Like Professor Pericles said: "Your move now, Mr. E."
I agree about angel whole heartedly, but just for fun I'm going to throw this theory out.
Say all of this happened 30 years ago, cassidy was between 15 and 19 and angel is
25ish, maybe angel is cassidy's daughter.
What do you guys think of that?
Seeing mayor jones and brad side by side, to me at least, there are to many differences. The mayors hair line has many more angles, like you said no freckles, and brad seems to have a clef in his chin.
You see that's the problem with Brad and the mayor they have a lot of similar characteristics but their face shapes are pretty different. The thing is being a cartoon it's hard to tell how much plausible change a person goes through as they age, the adults have some extreme angular features while kids are sort of rounded and softened. But other than the facial comparison I think their the same because of the Mayors reaction to the locket in the first episode, he recognized it for sure and it's something that really only the original Mystery Inc would recognize.
"Say all of this happened 30 years ago, cassidy was between 15 and 19 and angel is
25ish, maybe angel is cassidy’s daughter."
I really wish they'd give us the ages of these characters, to me Angel looks late 30's early 40's, and at the same time they haven't given us a set number of how long ago this happened either (I think it's 20-30 years mainly because of the severe gap in clothing styles, but again without show confirmation it's a best guess scenario).
"Still, if they went underground, who are Judith and Ricky nowadays?"
I think Ricky could probably be Mr. E, but there's no real linking clues to that. As for Judy I have no idea, I haven't spotted anyone with a passing resemblance. On that note though Brad and Judy were in love so maybe it's possible she's Fred's mother who we haven't seen to date. Or possibly she died in the Crystal Cove caves which is why they gave up on the mystery... But that would probably be too dark. At this point there's just so little known about these two that it's hard to put together a working theory.
Her skin is too dark. The picture comparisons show it.
Anything is possible in this version of the show.
There is evidence she works for Mr. E. One of the episodes shows her reporting back to him.
Call me whatever you want, but I know what happens at the end. So no matter where any of this goes with who is who, the main storyline still sucks and has been done many times before.
Also it's full of plot holes.
The visual comparison of Cassidy and Angel show that they look almost nothing alike, and that their skin colors are different.
Her interaction with Pericles is due to her working for Mr. E and Pericles knew that.
Mayor Jones is not Brad, and they look nothing alike. Besides, if the Mayor were Brad Chiles then he wouldn't be Fred Jones Sr. and thus Fred would not be Fred Jones Jr.
If anyone is Brad Chiles it's Sheriff Bronson Stone. If you look at their pictures they look very much alike. Brad and Stone have a cleft chin. Fred Sr. does not. This would also explain why Stone doesn't keep the new gang out of things, or tells them things that get them involved. Mr. E wants them involved, and if he works with E, then him being Brad is more likely.
The Mayor's reaction to seeing the locket could be anything. Maybe he had a hand in burying the information about the former Misery Stink gang.
Scooby-Doom says: "Say all of this happened 30 years ago, cassidy was between 15 and 19 and angel is
25ish, maybe angel is cassidy’s daughter."
I think that's more likely, but it's also possible that Angel is a close relative of Cass, such as younger a sister or cousin.
"Her skin is too dark. The picture comparisons show it."
The picture is in black and white, all you can really see is that their both Black. Even if their skin tone isn't a 100% match there's still the similar eyes, nose and mouth. There's too many similarities to be a coincidence.
"There is evidence she works for Mr. E. One of the episodes shows her reporting back to him."
What episode? If you want to prove that show evidence otherwise it's just a theory.
"If anyone is Brad Chiles it’s Sheriff Bronson Stone. If you look at their pictures they look very much alike. Brad and Stone have a cleft chin."
That's an interesting theory, but chin and hair color are the only similarities. The sheriffs nose is angled outwards with a pronounced nostril, his eyebrows are much thicker and his build is about three times the size of Brad. I won't say it's completely impossible but it seems less likely. The mayor at least has eye's, nose, mouth and hairline in common.
"Mayor Jones is not Brad, and they look nothing alike. Besides, if the Mayor were Brad Chiles then he wouldn’t be Fred Jones Sr. and thus Fred would not be Fred Jones Jr."
I think a key to properly disappearing is changing your name...
"Call me whatever you want, but I know what happens at the end. So no matter where any of this goes with who is who, the main storyline still sucks and has been done many times before."
What are you hiding underneath the writers table right now eavesdropping? You don't know the ending anymore than we do. We're trying to have a civil conversation about theories and you're being presumptuous and rude, your opinion is not fact so stop acting like it is.
You are one person, one opinion and you're wasting your fleeting life span complaining about a show you don't like. I can respect that you don't like this show, but I can't respect your trollish actions of hanging around here and haranguing everyone just because they disagree with you. We know your opinion, and trust me you spouting on will not change anyone's mind.
Please put a BIG spoiler warning such as (****SPOILER WARNING****) and tell us with sources what is coming.
@Strangely, could you provide a side by side with the sheriff and brad?
Also the mayor's hairline comes to a point, brads doesn't, but i agree about pretty much everything else.
Episode 17 "Mystery Manor" is on Youtube now!
Episode 18 "Dragon's Secret" is also on
(****SPOILER WARNING****)
(CONJECTURE AHEAD)
Upon request Brad and sheriff Stones comparison:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61809702@N07/5631075698/
It took forever to find a shot of him without his hat. Anyways at this point it's a toss up, Stone and the Mayor both have several similarities and differences. The sheriff has the chin alright, the hairline is about 75% the same but it diverges in several notable ways, but his nose is severely different, meaning that if he is Brad he would have had to have a nose job to achieve such a different look. And just like the mayor he lacks the freckles that Brad had.
Other than visual comparison clues I haven't seen much else, he didn't seem to recognize the locket which Brad would have, and we really haven't seen him do anything unusual. At this point though we'll just have to wait for other clues, there's just not enough to either confirm or deny.
That new episode was hilarious! And the guest stars were pretty impressive too, Linda Cardellini voiced hot dog water and George Tekei voiced the white wizard.
Got that right... when I first heard the Hot Dog Water girl talking I immediately recognized Linda's voice. It's good to see that the live-action cast from the movies is becoming also part of the animated world... now, all we need is having Sarah Michelle gellar and Freddie Prinze Jr. voicing characters in this series.
One of the most hillarious episodes so far. it's good because after a terrifying episode like Escape from Mystery Manor, what better way to relax than to have a less serious episode.
Does anyone know when the rest of the episodes are going to air?
@strangely, sorry to put you through all of that trouble.
Now I think we can put the "sheriff is brad" stuff to bed, at least for now.
The only similarities I see are the both have lines under their eyes and they both have two white lines in their hair, other then that they are vastly different.
Sheriff stone's lower lip sticks out very severely, their ears are different(and ears are like finger prints, there all one of a kind), and as said above their noses are in no way similar.
I have to disagree on 1 point though you said this "and we really haven't seen him do anything unusual." Walking in a closet and staying there is very unusual!*
(*i know what ya meant, I'm just tryin' to lighten the mood 'round here.)
It was no trouble at all Scooby-Doom, I had a hunch where to find that particular shot so it didn't take too terribly long (Like most people I'm just a typical over exaggerator).
Oh I agree that closet gag was unusual but very hilarious, and it's that type of unusualness that makes the Sheriff such a great character. I really am impressed by the comedy of this show, it's a bit more subtle than previous incarnations but that really helps to keep the show feeling fresh.
Yes it does, it's nice to have just one character who is a wacko instead of all of the new weekly characters.
But what I think makes him such a great character is patrick warburton's performance.
@strangely The picture is in black and white, but Angel and Cassidy are black, so it doesn't matter. The blackness of one image is not as dark as the blackness of another.
Plus Angel said she wouldn't help them with one of the mysteries because there's only two things she does well, spin records and be a stone cold fox.
What similarities? They look almost completely different. So unless you're suggesting Angel got massive plastic surgery, I don't see how that can work. Unless of course it's just another plot hole.
I don't remember what episode and I don't care to go back and watch them. Not like I could anyway though. Episodes 1-13 aren't on the net or the order menu on cable.
The nose can change with time and fights. Probably had his nose broken in a brawl and then fixed it. Or maybe that's just how he looks grown up.
Eyebrows get thicker as one get's older. That's a fact.
Dude, his build is 3x the size because he's law enforcement. They have to be physically fit.
The mayor looks NOTHING like Brad. The nose is different, the chin is different, the hair and hairline is different, etc.
strangley wrote: "I think a key to properly disappearing is changing your name…"
Well no duuuuuuuurrrrrrrrhhhhhh! My point is that if Fred Jones Sr. is Brad Chiles then Fred is Fred Chiles. Or at least, just "Fred Jones".
strangley wrote: "What are you hiding underneath the writers table right now eavesdropping?"
The episodes have already aired in Canada. I have a source that has seen them and written reviews about the ending.
strangley wrote: "You don’t know the ending anymore than we do.
... you’re being presumptuous and rude, your opinion is not fact so stop acting like it is."
Take your own advice.
Scooby-Doom says: "Please put a BIG spoiler warning such as (****SPOILER WARNING****) and tell us with sources what is coming."
SpiderScooby doesn't want spoilers posted, so I won't break the rules.
strangely says: "Upon request Brad and sheriff Stones comparison:"
YEAH! I knew it! They're totally the same person. Look at the skunk streak in Stone's hair. Exactly the same as Brad's. Ha ha!
Freckles can fade with time.
strangely says: "Other than visual comparison clues I haven’t seen much else, he didn’t seem to recognize the locket which Brad would have,"
Did he even see the locket?
Believe it says "well no duuuuuurrrrurrrhhhhhhhh" do you have to be an insufferable douche?
You make a stupid comment then act like a *bleep*hole when someone calls you on it.
Believe it says "spiderscooby doesn't want spoilers posted, so I won't break the rules" THEN JUST GIVE US SOURCES OR GO FIND ANOTHER BRIDGE YA TROLL!!
@SpiderScooby, I'm sorry but this dudes rudeness gets under my skin!
It's just a cartoon 🙂 Someone's character design can change as the go from a teenager to an adult. I also think we should just wait for the show to reveal who the original Mystery Incorporated is. it would be way better that way ☺☻
Cartoon Network is advertising a new season : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_mZTlLMgJw
I didn't know Season One ended?
Hopefully we will see a complete season release soon 😀
Episode 18... Okay, hold on. Let me see if I've this right...
At the end after catching the White Wizard, the Misery Stink gang drove from Chen's to the airport, got out of the van, ran to the terminal, didn't see Mei-Li, checked the plane for Mei-Li (after all she may have already boarded), didn't find Mei-Li there either, and so they then concluded based on irrefutable proof that Mei-Li was pulling a fast one, so then they figured out where she was really going to based on solid evidence, got there, found the boat, went back to Daphne's house to get Mr. and Mrs. Blake, drove back to the boat, moved Mei-Li's boat, put the Blake boat in it's place, then with the unquestioned permission of Mr. and Mrs. Blake set at least one trap on the boat even after Fred's last set of traps destroyed their dinning room wall, set up more than one trap all over the ship, disguised the boat to look identical to Mei-Li's, and then waited for her to show up ALL before Mei-Li took a cab ride from Chen's to the boat. Do I have that about right? Oh, and I almost forgot. Mei-Li didn't seem surprised when the boat started up and sailed away. So does this mean she had someone escorting her? It must. So why didn't she see this person first to tell them they need to get moving?
This is just more proof that the "writers" don't care about this franchise, the characters, or the fans. They put no thought into writing anything good for this show. It's nothing but a big joke to them. These jerks ought to be embarrassed for what they did here. This storyline is a load of putrid rotting garbage! It makes no sense. It defies logic. It contradicts itself. There are plot holes all over the place. It stinks.
The rest of the episode sucked too. Gremlins ripoff, Dragonball Z ripoff, Lord of the Rings ripoff (again). These idiot writers can't come up with anything good of their own, and anything they do come up with sucks! Like the pawn shop. If the White Wizard had been looking for all four rings, then why did he leave one at a pawn shop?
There was also no mystery behind this. I knew who the villains were right off the bat, and that includes Mei-li.
BAD BAD episode! Believe it!
Hay they show the trailer scooby doo legend of the phantosuar