Scooby-Doo! Stage Fright Trailer
KidzWorld has the exclusive new trailer for Scooby-Doo! Stage Fright, coming to Blu-Ray, DVD, and Digital Download this fall! Thamks to Scoob16 for finding this.
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Would anyone believe that I have seen this movie already?
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I have to say that they did the trailer really well. I just hope that they're not joking fans around and actually include the theme song like in the trailer. But this means nothing really because they're going to include an ep of The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo when there's already a complete series out there already. Why even bother getting my hopes up of a good movie when they're just going to spoil it with The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo. I don't care how good it is I'm not going to buy anything of The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo. I don't even know why they include it in the first place?
Maybe I should be specific on why I won't buy anything of The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo. thinks it's because of .... Well, obviously no. Otherwise I wouldn't watch anything with him. The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo is uniquely offbeat and perhaps misunderstood by some and that's probably why it was cancelled. (Remember that it was cancelled.) I like Zombie Island and the Witch's Ghost, but that doesn't mean I'll get. I also won't get Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated: Season One, Part 2 - Crystal Cove Curse because it includes "A Haunting In Crystal Cove". And I won't get any of these because of the strong supernatural overtones especially for "A Haunting In Crystal Cove". You can like it, but it's just NOT for me.
^ I forgot to include "Scoob16 thinks it's because of Scrappy-Doo" (Why not Flim-Flam? In any case as stated above that's not the reason.)
Well... this looks less bad than the American Idol-esque plotline. Plus, opera houses are always nice. And there's still hope for a POTO crossover, given that Daphne's (apparently) in love with Fred - there could still be hope for that (for me). The movie looks like it'll be a Fraphne centered/heavy movie, which is... okay, I guess? But I'm not a huge fan of the pairing, personally. It was a lovely surprise to hear the old WNSD? Simple Plan theme song, though I do have to wonder at WHY they chose to use it, given that these latest films are a completely different take-off from the WNSD? style cheese.
One quick question, though: will this one also get an early VOD release, like the others did? Or do we have to wait until the fall?
I always knew that Amal has sources! Can you provide a link? I personally don't mind whether it will be recorded or not, that didn't stop me from watching the Blue Falcon movie.
I believe they actually tried very hard to create this one this time. I like the idea of seeing Fred and Daphne in love, but I would also like to see Shaggy and Velma in love, to counterbalance things.
There's still hope for a Phantom's crossover, definitely, and have to say the WNSD song is a good sign.
Anythingspossibleforapossible I agree. I don't appreciate the abundant amount of supernatural stuff in it. In a lot of ways I just think it ruins the original idea of Scooby Doo. I mean the concept of the original show was proving that there's no such thing as ghosts and I feel like 13 Ghosts and some of the movies just don't fit in the original intent of the show.
That's a big reason why my like for SDMI has waned during this season. They're relying too much on supernatural elements to keep the story going and it just feels inappropriate for a kids show at times. I mean there are some nightmarish episodes that just go a bit too far.
Well, I have to say that Flim-Flam was a bit annoying at times, but there's no T13GOSD episode to fit in the special features. My guess is that they will add "In Fear of the Phantom", since it has nothing to do with the curse or something, but does relate to the previous episode that explains why Scooby is mad at Shaggy. But then again, "Menace of the Manticore" which was included in Big Top was way too connected to the previous episode where Velma discovers that Angel is in fact Cassidy Williams. Plus, Mr. E was revealed in that episode. By the way, this episode was not set in a circus at all, but in an amusement park! Why not put "Scooby's Three Ding-A-Ling Circus"? Anyway, another episode could be "The Backstage Rage" and "The Phantom of the Country Music Hall" which is actually great, since it has never been released and it's a 40-minute episode! But now, thinking from WB's side "Why not include "Theater of Doom", which is also set in a theater?". But I hope that doesn't happen, because it ends with "The dog dies!". It would be a worst cliffhanger than the Manticore.
But I think it's a little bit too much not to buy Crystal Cove Curse just because the happenings seemed too real! In the same sense, you wouldn't have bought Danger in the Deep nor Spooky Stampede. But why make an exception for Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost? And Alien Invaders? Crystal and Amber were true aliens. The first live-action film? The Mystery Begins? Curse of the Lake Monster? Goblin King? Samurai Sword? Reluctant Werewolf, Boo Brothers and Ghoul School I suppose you didn't get because of Scrappy. Speaking of which, since you don't like Scrappy, you shouldn't have got the 13 spooky Tales sets nor Big Top and Blue Falcon (the last two because of Flim-Flam as well).
I am not accusing you of anything, everyone has an opinion which others MUST respect. I'm just saying that your DVD collection wouldn't be complete.
Scoob16 you have obviously just barely skimmed through what I've wrote or maybe you're not even talking to me? But as I already said my dislike for The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo has NOTHING to do with Scrappy (or even Flim-Flam). It's because of how dark and, I'll be straight forward, satanic at times. This goes doubly for "A Haunting In Crystal Cove" (it's over the top from beginning to end). I didn't make an exception to Zombie Island and Witch’s Ghost. All I said was I liked them, but still wouldn't get them either. And why wouldn't I get Alien Invaders? It's just aliens.... That's like saying I shouldn't watch anything with aliens in it. As for most of the other films you said, no I won't be getting them. If that makes my collection incomplete then so be it, but I'm not going to own something that's just going to make me unhappy.
I also won't get Music of the Vampire because of obvious reasons (probably not for the people who don't think of the obvious reasons). I also don't like how the writers put too much emphasize on how much we should accept and love vampires. At least they kept Shaggy and Scooby as the voice of reason.
The writers of SDMI also tried to downplay vampires in "Pawn of Shadows".
Yeah, aliens are supernatural in a different way than just straight up Devil worship (Which Zombie island and Witches Ghost fall under).
I'm hoping SDMI ends it with being aliens or something.
As for SDMI ending with aliens or something similar, I see us with very good probabilities indeed... but wouldn't matter to see a demonic entity making its way into the spotlight.
here is a list of WB scooby doo movies and speashalls
abrakadabra doo
camp scare
legend of the phantasaur
music of the vampire
spooky games
big top
haunted holidays
mask of the blue falcon
and stage fright
Oh sorry Anythingspossibleforapossible. Like I said, I don't accuse you of anything. It's your opinion and I am obliged to respect it.
Um, pardon my ignorance, but when did a comment stream about a new SD DTV with a phantom of the opera-esque theme turn into a discussion of Scooby Doo and satanic practices? I'm confused. Scooby movies never seemed satanic as a kid, they were just cartoons with an occasional supernatural flair to them. They made me slightly interested in the mythos and folklore surrounding the creatures and how each culture interpreted them, but they never inclined me towards those practices, or towards sympathetic inclination of the creatures.
I don't know if I can say the same of the current SDMI show... I haven't watched it since Season 1 ended, and for a good reason: they wrecked the characters, made them distasteful and disturbing IN MY PERSONAL OPINION (I feel the need to emphasize that because many people tend to respond thinking that I have personally insulted and attempted to brainwash them and their mothers with my thoughts). But I've never really felt a satanic vibe from any of the past shows, although I can see how arguments can be made for Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost (Egyptian voodoo religion and wiccan practices).
I've contributed as well, so I'm also to blame - but can we get back to talking about 'Scooby Doo! Stage Fright' again? I wanna know everyone's thoughts about how they think the plot will turn, or their opinion on Fraphne, or if the movie reader book description might still have merit. Or how about the fact that according to the film, most of the plot centers around an opera house that at one point was a freaking DISCO?!? I don't know about you guys, but that sounds freaking AMAZING.
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*Sigh*
More generic and rehashed crap. Like I asked before, why can't they come up with new monsters and villains?
As for the trailer, not much there to see. The only plot element of notice is the whole "twist" thing. Not only would this not have been a twist anyway (as Velma points out in deadpan snarker fashion) but now it can't possibly be a twist since we all know what it is. And it's a lame storyline to go with anyway. It's been done too much already. I can't see people not rolling their eyes at it at this point. I think WB needs to quit with this. Daphne is sort of becoming a stereotype character because of this Fred/Daphne thing. SDMI did it to death. This is just beating the dead horse. It's hurting her character and making her as irrelevant as Fred and Velma are.
As for 13GSD, it wasn't canceled for any reasons pertaining to the actual show. The network simply didn't want to pay for a new series. Instead they wanted to re-run old episodes that they already owned and make money that way. If 13GSD had any problem it was the crappy animation, and this was due to Hanna and Barbera being such tight wads when it came to money. 13GSD even pokes fun at them over it. I mean, when you have an animation error in your opening intro, which plays 12 out of the 13 episodes, you've got a quality problem.
As for the supernatural elements, I hate to burst your bubble, but this has always been going on in Scooby-Doo. Foul Play in Funland had Charlie the Haunted Robot, which was an actual robot with incredible strength. Bedlam in the Bigtop had a clown who could actually take control of people's minds. In A Night of Fright is No Delight Scooby gets a floating bone with no explanation as to how it got there. It's assumed that it is the ghost of Sanders rewarding Scooby. Then in NSD-Movies we had the Addams Family and all their monsters and supernatural things, and in the Jeannie episode they faced an actual evil jinn. Then in The Scooby-Doo Show Shaggy and Scooby get turned into monsters and back when they read a black magic book, Daphne's friend Lisa is hypnotized to believe and act like she's a vampire. Then in the later series with Scrappy almost every story involved the supernatural. Even the versions when Daphne returned had supernatural episodes. 13GSD was not groundbreaking in that respect.
13GSD was sort of demonic because it had demons in it, but it wasn't satanic. Zombie Island was satanic, as was Witch's Ghost.
^ You're oversimplifying things. Everything that happened before the 80's was innocently played out. The animation in 13GSD is different not because they're tight wads, but because they were trying something different and it's never quite been the same since. APNSD was done differently. It did return almost to normal in 1998 when WB took over and even then they streamlined it to fit their own look. And remember by the time Scrappy was introduced HB had to revamp the series every year and by the time they did 13GSD it had burnt itself out and it didn't help they tried to change a lot of what made Scooby-Doo so success to begin with, but then again I think we wouldn't have had APNSD without them testing things first with 13GSD. It just unfortunate that they left it without a conclusion which they could have easily done. I mean, the writers obviously knew how things were playing out, it's not like they couldn't have planned ahead. Or did they honestly except it to last more than thirteen episodes. The name of the series speaks for itself.
And 13GSD wasn't innocently played? They had skits dropped haphazardly throughout the episodes. Like the PSA about poor fire-breathing dragons, or the "security system" that Zomba fumbled with, or the babymomma with four kids crash the wedding. 13GSD wasn't nearly as scary as it could have been. And as for the pre-80's stuff, an evil jinn isn't exactly innocent. Neither is a snowman who straps Velma to a log that he then puts into a buzz-saw, then when she and Scooby get away sends another log with dynamite after them. Those episodes showed that some villains actually tried to murder them.
I'm not talking about 13GSD having different animation, I mean it had BAD animation. There were errors. A lot of the frames were poorly drawn. Some frames were reused from previous versions. The episode of When You Witch Upon a Star actually showed a person's hand in the frame! Yeah, the part where one of the Brewski sisters falls off the shelf and kicks up dust, if you freeze-frame at the right moment you'll see someone's actual hand. It's the guy who takes the pictures of each frame. He took the picture while his hand was still under the camera to remove that frame! You can't say it was the style either, because Reluctant Werewolf, Boo Brothers, and Ghoul School all came after that and had the same style.
Don't know what you mean about Scrappy. He saved the series from early cancellation. He was popular, as were the following seasons. What made Scooby successful to begin with was not popular anymore. That's why they changed it. Pup was made by the same guy who made 13GSD, so I'm sure you're right. Still, 13GSD was not a failure. Hanna-Barbera didn't manage things properly with the network is all that was. The writers probably thought it would be two seasons. Who wouldn't want to see the remaining ghosts get caught? Well, CEOs obviously.
@The 13th Ghost
Actually Demons are Satanic as they are followers of the Devil. So from that standpoint even if it was rather innocent in the show it is a little hard to ignore the lore behind it. You can't exactly blame people for not liking Satanic themes in their cartoons even if they are played out innocently.
Scrappy may have been a fresh of breath air for Scooby-Doo, but eventually he became played out. Every year a new twist was brought on. Scrappy may have postponed its cancellation, but even he became a formula. And where is he today? He's only brought back to poke fun at him. Scrappy is seen by some as this messiah when in reality he's nothing more then a hindrance. Don't get me wrong, I liked him throughout his time in the franchise, but he's nothing more than a gimmick. Basically he's a has been. Can you imagine if they had kept him in every DTV released? What's New, Scooby-Doo? He would of just been an unnecessary burden.
Thanks for the supportive Strangely & scoob16. It's unfotunately when Scooby-Doo really starts to go into that whole territory and starts bringing it life and more importantly how it brings it to life.
It sounds more like Anarbor's version of WNSD rather than the original by Simple Plan.
@Strangely
Some demons can be satanic, but they aren't all that way by default. Japanese culture did not know about Satan, yet they still had stories of demons. Also, a demon in Biblical terms is just a fallen angel. So they don't necessarily have to be in line with Satan. I think the 13 Ghosts were the type that were in line with no one, not even themselves. I'm not blaming people for not liking satanic themes, I'm just saying 13GSD wasn't satanic.
@Anythingspossibleforapossible
I don't think Scrappy became played out. If anything he was underused. The place where he is today is the result of the same fake fans who claimed that Shaggy was a pothead, Velma was a lesbian, and that Fred and Daphne would bang whenever they split up. These people accused Scrappy of being annoying and killing the series when in fact he was popular and saved the series. I don't blame Scrappy for being lied about and for Warner Bros. believing those lies. If kept in the WB versions I agree he would have been unnecessary, but not a burden. He would have been like he was in NSDM and 13GSD; there but not important. And this is only because WB probably wouldn't know how to write a good story for him.
Saying 13GSD wasn’t satanic is a matter of opinion. A matter of your opinion.
My reponse about would be exactly the same as before. He may be unfairly viewed as annoyance by some, maybe that's a sterotype of his, but others aren't wrong with not liking him too. I believe he was only kept on because he was apart of that era. When Scooby-Doo finally came to a stop. It was the push writers needed to finally get rid of him. The only difference between Scrappy and Flim-Flam is that Scrappy is related to Scooby. Both characters are disposable. Actually he's kind of a burden because he's written that way, but that's really down to the humour. Shaggy and Scooby continously having to keep an eye out for him which ended up being balanced out by Daphne being brought in. But having said that he's still a burden production-wise too.
Yeah, I don't know why people respond with "that's your opinion". I think that goes without saying, doesn't it?
Others could be wrong for not liking him. It depends why they don't like him. If they don't like him because they think everyone hates him and that he killed the series, then yeah they would be wrong. If they actually watched the seasons with Scrappy and simply didn't like his character, then their opinion has basis.
The series stopped making episodes, but they still made full feature movies after 13GSD, and Scrappy was in those. Daphne was not, even though she was the second most popular human character of the series. I wonder why people don't accuse Daphne of ruining the series. She acted annoying at certain times. Also, Scrappy was not used in the next season of episodes because the next one they did was A Pup Named Scooby-Doo. Scooby was puppy at that point, so having Scrappy there wouldn't make any sense. Scrappy's mother was also a puppy at that point in time.
I wouldn't say that is their only difference. Flim-Flam was not properly developed as a character. He was forced, which means he didn't fit the setting of the series nor did he fit with the other characters. He was presented as a cocky know-it-all who never took responsibility for any of his mistakes or even his wrongdoings. Scrappy always praised Scooby, even at times when Scrappy deserved the praise. Scrappy moved the story forward by forcing Shaggy and Scooby to solve the mystery. He was a critical part of the series in the first few seasons he was introduced. Any production burden is in the fact that most writers nowadays don't have the imagination to create a good storyline for him.
Because when you give an opinion it doesn't sound like one. It sounds more like a "No, I'm right. End of discussion." But then we could all say that.
Why do they need to bring him back? He did his part (maybe he needs more respect than that), but he's in no way needed now. The series has proven that it can survive without him. Maybe he could be brought back, but like I said for what reason?
Oh, don't start fighting now you guys! I personally liked Scrappy and Flim-Flam, they weren't that bad. And it gets on my nerves when I see pictures like these about the little pup:
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Doesn't it?
Even though I start out with "I think..." or "I don't think..."? Well, I'm not sure how else to put it then.
I agreed that he would be unnecessary now. I just differed with you on the point that he would be a burden. I'm not saying they need to or should bring Scrappy back. In fact, based on the live action movie, which was total suck (in my opinion), I hope that WB never touches Scrappy again. I think it's wrong how they portrayed him, and many other fans disliked this as well.
If brought back they would have to put him in a cute/humor role. Have him do funny things, get into trouble, and then say or do good things that show him to have a heart of gold like his Uncle Scooby. The H-B seasons did that just fine.
In my humble opinion, Scrappy would be more interesting and entertaining than Fred and Velma have been in SDMI. I think Scrappy could even be a better character than Daphne in SDMI.
Honestly I think part of the reason people hate him is because he suffers from Cousin Oliver Syndrome. He's a young character introduced into an aging show to increase viewership. He's a gimmick, we all know it, and I think that's a big chunk of why people turned on him. It's easy to see him as this annoying little kid because rather than evolving into a part of the group he was forced in. And admittedly some viewers probably didn't like that immediately after his creation he was getting top billing with Scooby, that alone can be truly threatening to a fan.
Also I think the reason he's become more hated as time goes on is because he represents a lot of changes and retooling. I mean we had format changes, characters leaving, animation changes. I think ultimately people put their negative feelings of those other things on Scrappy since his arrival coincided with the bulk of those things happening.
Ultimately Scrappy doesn't really deserve all the hate he gets. I mean had we seen Velma's cousin or Shaggy's little sister forced into the group instead of Scrappy we might have hated them just as much. Scrappy is ultimately the victim of circumstance and timing. Who knows, things might have turned out differently for him if he had been introduced in a different era.
I'm sure many do see him as a CO, but the question is if that belief is based on unbiased observance or herd mentality. I'd say the latter. Once Scooby-Doo was off the air for a while the culture went down a nostalgia trip and someone said, "Hey remember when Scooby-Doo introduced that puppy?" And then others chime in and say that he was annoying. Even though this wasn't actually the case back then. But the echo chamber has its effect, and more people came to think of Scrappy as an annoying character based on how they saw other "fans" reacting.
A gimmick doesn't get the kind of thought that was put into Scrappy. Flim-Flam was a gimmick for sure though (IMO).
According to the creator of Scrappy, he was well received and even knocked Daphne off the number 3 spot of most popular characters.
I agree that people placed the changes on Scrappy, unjustly. The creator of Scrappy revealed that the other format changes were set to take place even without Scrappy.
I think Scrappy was introduced at exactly the right time.
I think Strangely and 13th Ghost make good points, but I think you 13th Ghost have a biased opinion of Scrappy just because you like him. If anything he continued the gimmick of new character (i.e. Scooy-D) the difference he had a more permanent fixture. I think the first film was to poke fun at him. Heighten the annoyance value which I think in reality which the film is supposed to be (or at least semi-reality) the gang may but heads with Scrappy, but that's only in their version (although I sometimes imagine that's what happened in the regular continuity). The gang really didn't have a problem with him in regular continuity. When people saw that film they would think "Oh, yeah. Wasn't he annoying." Which some people have the right to think. But yeah, he's a complete gimmick. He was introduced as a new element, and as one of the people working on the show said they had to change the format every year (if you couldn't already tell). The series already had a formula and Scrappy mixed it up a little, but inevitably even his addition became a formula. When he took over Fred and Velma's roles that too became a formula. You have enough episodes and long enough appearances then inevitably everything will become a formula. Maybe that's why the Scooby Snacks have been reduced and in SDMI's case replaced with clams. 😛
* I meant to write: i.e. Scooby-Dum.
I'm not biased.
Scooby-Dum was more of a cameo character, similar to the movie/cartoon stars of the NSD-Movies. Scrappy was a legitimate sixth member.
I don't know what motives were behind the first film, but the writers were very disrespectful to all the characters, and Scrappy most especially.
No one thought Scrappy was annoying until the nostalgia trip of the early 2000s when shows like "I Love the 80's" or CN's The Scooby-Doo Project aired and people bashed him or portrayed him negatively.
Maybe he was gimmick, though I don't think he was, but either way he was a good character and he did in fact save the series from being canceled. The producers admitted this.
The format changes would have happened regardless of Scrappy.
I don't think his addition became a formula. He would do many different things during each season. In the first he was basically just getting Shaggy and Scooby into trouble. In the post split-up seasons he was more of a helper/problem solver. In the seasons where Daphne returned he helped move the story forward by forcing Shaggy and Scooby to action, or by acting as the wall that Daphne bounced ideas off of. In 13GSD he was more of a comic relief and participated in some of the gags.
I don't think he took over Fred and Velma's roles. I think Shaggy took over Fred's role, Scrappy took over the role of making traps at certain times (but he was doing this in the season with Fred), and Scrappy stayed in his own role as well. Velma and Daphne's roles went unfilled in that season. Then when Daphne returned, she filled Velma's role, as well as Fred's role on most occasions, as she took more of a directing role. At this point Scrappy kind of moved into Daphne's old role of questioning things and spotting clues for Daphne to analyze.
Sounds biased to me...
And in those shorts he was even more of a trouble maker.
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